Mars 3 - Weasel Mafia -GAME OVER

[Thanatos]

bah

/in

[Thanatos]

Just when you think you're out, Eh DS?

[Thanatos]

This extravagant affair seams to be of the singular nature. we shall see who has the greatest strategies upon conclusion of this event, and hopefully, the better of the teams shall be of the victorious nature

/to make confirmation

is that from a Shakespearian play? Sounds like it.

[Thanatos]

This extravagant affair seams to be of the singular nature. we shall see who has the greatest strategies upon conclusion of this event, and hopefully, the better of the teams shall be of the victorious nature

/to make confirmation

is that from a Shakespearean play? Sounds like it.

I created said statement from the mind of myself. I truly hope that as this game progresses (commences), my genius becomes much more evident. therefore, the belief that my statement was stolen for a play that was possibly penned by Shakespeare is entirely negative

I do hope my statement does not lead you to inflate your Ego unduly. That would certinally be unfortunate.

[Thanatos]

This extravagant affair seams to be of the singular nature. we shall see who has the greatest strategies upon conclusion of this event, and hopefully, the better of the teams shall be of the victorious nature

/to make confirmation

is that from a Shakespearean play? Sounds like it.

I created said statement from the mind of myself. I truly hope that as this game progresses (commences), my genius becomes much more evident. therefore, the belief that my statement was stolen for a play that was possibly penned by Shakespeare is entirely negative

I do hope my statement does not lead you to inflate your Ego unduly. That would certinally be unfortunate.

It most certainly does, for i am by far of a greater level of intelligence than the average person, and the non-advance vocabulary that belongs to yourself gives myself reason to understand that your life is completed with that of only Fail.

...Yeah....can somebody Night Kill this guy?

[Thanatos]

Maybe. I actually didn't know this was Dilbert Mafia, as I don't read it that often. Perhaps I should look into it a bit.

[Thanatos]

This extravagant affair seams to be of the singular nature. we shall see who has the greatest strategies upon conclusion of this event, and hopefully, the better of the teams shall be of the victorious nature

/to make confirmation

is that from a Shakespearean play? Sounds like it.

I created said statement from the mind of myself. I truly hope that as this game progresses (commences), my genius becomes much more evident. therefore, the belief that my statement was stolen for a play that was possibly penned by Shakespeare is entirely negative

I do hope my statement does not lead you to inflate your Ego unduly. That would certinally be unfortunate.

It most certainly does, for i am by far of a greater level of intelligence than the average person, and the non-advance vocabulary that belongs to yourself gives myself reason to understand that your life is completed with that of only Fail.

...Yeah....can somebody Night Kill this guy?

that would be inadvisable. the lost of my enormous int elect would cause a loss of a superior mind in stopping the people we are attempting to stop.

Yeah. Elected int is really hard to come by,

[Thanatos]

Same here. I do hope you're being as Facetious as I am.

[Thanatos]

Random vote: Mastermind of Sin.

I don't wanna deal with dice at the moment.

[Thanatos]

Vote:MoS

Because I'm just that sure you're Scum.

(and I wanted to be counted. <_<)

[Thanatos]

Oh lawl, it's early drama.

[Thanatos]

Oh lawl, it's early drama.

Drama? I can help with that, if you know what I mean.

...am I allowed to vote:self in this game?

Mod: Yes, but I don't see why you would...

[Thanatos]

Oh lawl, it's early drama.

Drama? I can help with that, if you know what I mean.

...am I allowed to vote:self in this game?

Mod: Yes, but I don't see why you would...

Oh well, I'm in a game with DS, and at the time, we had just finished with a big fight between him and someone else. I was implying that I would rather kill myself than deal with both Niv and DS.


That said...I don't think this conversation will go anywhere. We really can't chalk up his behavour to scum..Although, just in case, I'll ask Niv...

Do you have any kind of posting restriction?

[Thanatos]

Do you have any kind of posting restriction?

generally people aren't allowed to acknowledge or discus their own restriction. at least that's been my experience.

I know. Couldn't hurt to ask.

[Thanatos]

Ok, I don't really have the energy to siv through this, so I'll just ask if anything worthy of Debate has happened in the last page and a half or so.

[Thanatos]

*eyeroll* annoyance with the thread does not equal scum. This thread kinda reads like hell. That said, I did look through it, and, more to get a non random vote than anything else,

Vote:Quagmire

because of his weak and pointless argument.

[Thanatos]

Random vote: Mastermind of Sin.

I don't wanna deal with dice at the moment.

All bickering aside, this is the post that I find to be psyhologicaly interestig. We have Thanatos, a Goon, forgeting to bold his first vote.
Hypothesis: Thanatos and MoS are Scumm-buddies. Thanatos throws the first (and thus, usualy, unimportant) vote at Mos in an attempt to distance himself from him.
BUT, Thanatos feels a bit reluctant at endangering (however slightly) his colegue. His subconcius reluctance causes him to make a mistake - he forgets to bold his vote.

Unvote
Vote Thanatos

first day lynch usualy fails to unearth scum. But, if I am my line of reasoning is correct, then lynching Thanatos could give us two Scum for the price of one.

...That's just downright stupid. Any persons non-diced random vote could be distancing, or could just be because I know MoS from a few games I've read, which is why I voted him.

Are you be honest, everyone who's voted for me, do you honestly think that forgetting to bold your random vote and showing annoyance with the thread is a scum tell? I mean, really. You don't think there might be a few reasons why I don't want to go through the thread, considering how nonsensical it's been till now?

[Thanatos]

IF Thanatos comes up "mafia goon" and not any other role (including "

mafia godfather

" "Mafia roleblocker" etc.) Mandalorian is his scumpartner.

If he is a goon this is prior knowledge:

We have Thanatos, a Goon,

A thanatos lynch would be interesting to me.

Just to explai: By 'Goon' I was refering to his 'Rank'.

Other then that, thank you for supplying a second reason why Thanatos would be good Day 1 lynch. Although, I don't see how it would be exhonorating for me if Thantos turned out to be Godfather? Wouldn't that make me a likely n00b-Usurper?

Hmmm, I'm thinking something here but I don't really want to say it right now.

@Thanatos

Don't be lazy man.

Unvote

Vote: Thanatos

It'll stay there 'til Thanatos posts some more info.

I've posted pleanty. I don't really know what you want me to say. I can't run good analaysis on 18 people on this point, though Mandalorian's ridiculous logic has propped my eyes open, a bit.

This is all strange, strange logic, to me, and I'm surprised nobody has picked up on it. You're all voting on me because A. I didn't want to read though alot of random crap, and B. I didn't bold my random vote?

What does any of this prove?

[Thanatos]

Oh, well, alright. Well, I've read through it at this point (note when I voted quagmire) and I'm at L-4 in a 10 to kill game, apparently for no real reason. It makes me question why people are really voting for me.

If you would like, I can try some major analysis, going down the player list.

[Thanatos]

1. Glork I think is a good player. Can't tell if he's good scum or good town, though, sadly.

2. hasdgfas

3. ZONEACE deserves a small

FoS

for his vote on Niv for a daykill, which hadn't even happened yet.

4. Niv Niv...is probably not a straight mafia, though I don't think he's protown either...He;s got some weird crap, so I say that we should leave him be for now, and see if some group or person (Vig, SK, ect) kills him off. If not, then we can take matters into our own hands later.

5. DrippingGoofball

6. Gage Comes off innocent enough to me.

7. Drunken Piper: I've noted little else, except for his PR. He did do something, in looking for lurkers, so that's a point in his favor.

8. Oman Bugs me a lot, due to his rather wanton voting of people, apparently for shits and giggles, when we're getting somewhat past the point where they don't have any effect. I wonder if he's trying to push bandwagons without looking like it. He seems experianced enough to do that.

9. lordy I swear to god, if he is another PR, I'm flipping out

10. Porochaz Nothing too clear let, though I don't think he's said anything of too much value, and his kind of random vote on me may be a footnote for him in the future.

11. opie I think has been rather useless, if analytical about it, so let's just say the jury is out.

12. Gorrad I disagree with his logic about lynching Niv, simply because he's not helping. If you killed off every annoying player, because he "might as well be scum" then you're going to end up with alot of dead doctors and cops...but then I guess we might be about to find out about that, right DS?

14. Mastermind of Sin Nothing too clear yet

15. Nightfall has posted twice

17. Disciple Slayer Meh. No strong opinions.

18. mandalorian I think is a decent scum candidate, due to his arguement, but I'll leave him alone out of sheer respect to OMGUS

19. JDodge He's the only one who had a decent reason to vote for me, I think. Everyone else was just jumping on for one reason or another. +1 for him

20. Quagmire I've already talked about.


hmm...Interesting. I think for now, I'll

Vote: Gorrad

becuase of what I read. Thanks, this was more informitive than I would have thought.

[Thanatos]

Give it a shot, guys. a good reread will do wonders for you knowledge of the situation we're in right now.

[Thanatos]

Give it a shot, guys. a good reread will do wonders for you knowledge of the situation we're in right now.

Weren't you the one saying it was just a bunch of useless crap?

That was before I actually did one, and managed to pull out useful information out of useless crap.

[Thanatos]

hmm...Gage, I almost could consider that to be Role-bating.

On the other hand, at first glace, I thought "he has a point..."

...either way,

IGMEOY

Oman, you didn't even attempt to give reasons behind anything. Zoneace you outright said you didn't have a clear read on, and you havn't given any reason on why I'm scummy.

[Thanatos]

Unvote, Vote: Gage

Noticed the same thing I did?

[Thanatos]

Until Gage better explains his post

Vote:Gage

I want to see what he has to say for himself, and this should drive the point home.

[Thanatos]

The votes made me confident enough that Gage were a good string to pull in order to vote for him.

[Thanatos]

Right. So you were wagoning. That is, you only voted because others did.

...Yes, pretty much. I did jump on a bandwagon, but I did not do it because I was scum. I gave my reasons for it. I don't know what else you want from me.

[Thanatos]

When did I say I wanted to lynch him. Voting, while it is a tool to lynch, can also be used to force people to act. I thought about it, and after seeing that alot of people agreed with me, I decided it was worth voting him to press into him and see his reaction, which can be pretty telling.

[Thanatos]

Riddle me this, Oman. For somebody who voted himself because he saw a wagon developing on that player, your vote for Thanatos seems odd. Thanatos said he wants Gage to explain his post, which is basically

exactly

why I'm voting Gage as well, so I don't see how his vote is "horribly explained."

If it was just to get his reaction why did you wait untill a wagon formed.

I thought about it

, and after seeing that alot of people agreed with me,

I decided it was worth voting him to press into him

and see his reaction, which can be pretty telling.

Pretty sure you should learn to read posts before asking stupid questions.


I take Thanatos' behavior as a sign that he was thinking Gage's behavior was questionable, but was unsure of himself. Getting the reinforcement from a couple of people echoing his sentiments is probably one of the factors that drove him to turn his IGMEOY into a vote. Note how I had voted Gage, too, and he asked if I noticed the same thing.

Thank you, Glork.

And thank you for your analysis, Opie.

[Thanatos]

Drunken Piper is faking. He just did the same thing in a different game.

[Thanatos]

His so called post restriction, IE, his rhyming, is confirmed to be a personal quirk, not a restriction. I can link to the game if you want.

[Thanatos]

...For the record, I never said he was scum. Just annoying and pointless.

[Thanatos]

Which doesn't mean he's scum. There are Annoying, pointless, and abrasive doctors.

[Thanatos]

hmm...Zoneace has, consistantly now, voiced suspicions of people who aren't really scummy, but annoying or different in some way. Frankly, that could be considered extremely scummy at this point, by trying to move it the lynches to easy targets.

[Thanatos]

now now now, lets not all be stupid.

There is a case to be made for day 1 lynches of people being intentionally unhelpful. Day 1 lynches are usually a crapshoot. You're lucky if you actually find scum. So if we're likely to lynch a townie, why not limit our loses to a townie who in the long run could really hinder us?

While it is true that L1 lynches are usually a crap shoot, for an experienced player such as yourself to support giving up and lynching a townie because he's annoying is very suspicious. If we pursue the most annoying person, and he's a townie, what do we do if he's a power role? Sure, I guess it's a good break if we kill a townie who may hurt us, but what about an annoying doctor or Cop? At best, we get them to roleclaim and back off, and maybe they can get a doc protect. But if we out important power roles day one, simply because they had the misfortune on falling on a player that annoys you, then the whole town gets screwed over.

To sum up: VOTES R 4 SCUM.

Gage: hmm...I'll accept that explanation, for the moment, because I don't see any real pattern, but I'll be watching you...

Unvote

[Thanatos]

Not yet we arn't. but frankly, it's not a bad reason, or will you continue to ignore my post?

[Thanatos]

That...makes no sense.

Are you saying that we should kill a doc or Cop because they don't act to the best of thier ability. Besides, what does poor grammar or weird ways of writing have to do with knowing who to protect/investigate?

I don't even know what your implying. People who post bad make for bad power roles, or people who post bad are likely to be scum...or what?

[Thanatos]

OMG the logic is not that difficult.


If someone intentionally places a restriction on themself (a limitation) how can we trust they won't do the same thing at night in some way?? I'm not advocating the lynching the power roles, so stop making it seem that way. I'm advocating the lynching of someone who clearly doesn't have the town's best interest in mind. and Someone INTENTIONALLY RESTRICTING THEMSELVES WHEN NOT REQUIRED TO BY THEIR ROLE DOES NOT HAVE THE TOWN'S BEST INTEREST IN MIND.

Intentionally Restricting themselves may, in some cases = not having the towns best interest in mind. But it doesn't mean they are going to throw the game away. How do you suppose that, if say, DP was the doctor, he would restrict himself. His posting style is a quirk. Nothing more, nothing less. Lynching him is No more than a free N for the Mob.

[Thanatos]

It's simple DP, Active threats are a higher priority than passive threats.


and thanatos, your case all rides on the assumption that DP is a powerrole, and we have no reason to believe he is. We know there are vanilla's in the game (as evidenced by headcount weasle). Listen I'm not saying we need to kill DP in the next 15 posts. I'm applying pressure to someone not acting in the best interests of the town, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. It leads to useful info and eventually, hopefully, the deaths of the anti-town players.

I'm not assuming DP is a power role. I'm pointing out the flaw in your arguement that we should lynch all annoying players.

My feeling is that Not helpful to the town =/= Scummy. And that we should only lynch Scummy players. If you disagree with that, then we have bigger problems than just DP.

[Thanatos]

Being Scummy is Anti-town, but being a determent to the town is not scummy. If a player gives poor arguements, and acts noobish, or plays the game with a personal quirk, then none of these things are, in and of themselves, acts of being scum.

Not to mention that there is possible disagreements on who is a determent to the town and for what reason. To be perfectly honest, I'm a hair away from voting you with intent to lynch (as opposed to a more heafty FOS-type vote), except I'm still trying to see if you're trying to defend an argument you know is wrong, or if you're just..well, a detriment to the towns ability to argue logically.

[Thanatos]

I'm still trying to see if you're trying to defend an argument you know is wrong, or if you're just..well, a detriment to the towns ability to argue logically.

Neither.

That I'll try...

[Thanatos]

Glork, in your opinion, Is Zoneace Scum or town?

[Thanatos]

hmm sorry. I missed that.

[Thanatos]

hmm...I'm thinking of doing the rest of the day in Shakespearian qoutes.

[Thanatos]

All the game's a stage,
And all the players merely men and women:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time will find him his time up;
His lynch being seven ages. At first the voice,
Spreading his wicked theories unhindered.
And then the whining decoy, be it Niv or Gage
Beginning to show his flaws, and reveals his
debates burning with rage. And then the Wagon,
In which one hero decides

Vote:Zoneace

For his scum-like playstyle. Then a naysayer,
Gorrad continues to pull quagmire,
Jealous in honour, turning his eyes to the other,
His reputation becomes clearer
As the game draws to it's end. And then the roleclaim,
Made in patience or in haste, it shows the truth,
With eyes severe and beard of formal cut,
whether we believe or disblieve, it matters not;
And so it plays it's part. The sixth age shifts
Into the lean and slipper'd pantaloon,
With aggravation, neveousness, and apprehension
A once noble endeavor, now subject to risk
For his shrunk shank; and and the lynch is no longer sure,
But this Zoneace has shown he is helping the scum
And the end comes when it does. Last scene of all,
That ends this strange eventful history,
Is that which must happen, and then Zoneace is himself;
Sans Vote, sans power, sans post, sans everything.


5 points to the one who knows the source.

To avoid confusion, I'm outlines how I predict the lynch will go, and said that I'm voting for him because I believe that he is helping the scum by moving the lynches onto people who do not necessarily act scummy, ut are annoying and therefore, potential easy lynches.

[Thanatos]

Nope.

[Thanatos]

For referance, the ending of the tempest is Prospero asking the Audience for applause.

[Thanatos]

There you go.

[Thanatos]

I'm a litte embarassed, I studied Shakespeare rather extensively in college, i should have known that.

Really, now? I'll have to test it.

I used one more shakespearean one liner against you today. See if you canfind it.

[Thanatos]

oh hell, a scavenger hunt. If i find it, will you unvote me?

No, but I'll give you a cookie.

[Thanatos]

....what?

[Thanatos]

The reason we vote Zoneace instead of Niv is simple. Niv is annoying, but in such a way as it says nothing about his alignment.

ZA, however, has very poor beliefs about where he wants to move the lynches to, and does so with a stubberness that makes him an Asshat.

Niv is not really likely to be scum, or, at prehaps more accurate, is not a Scum being of his Asshatness. ZA very well could be.


Niv: You've played with ZA before, and you say this is new for him...hmm..What I really need to see is ZA in another game with someone annoying, and him not caring.

[Thanatos]

What does PBPA stand for, anyways?

DP: Rhyme! Rhyme more!

[Thanatos]

You know you don't have to answer that question, by the way. Against the rules, y'know.

You didn't need to ask it. Against the rules, y'know.

[Thanatos]

Any reason you think I'm scum? For that matter, any of the other players? Just curious.

[Thanatos]

Oman's been jumping on Bandwagons rather wantonly, and long after the joke period ended, for a while. for me, at least, I wonder if he's just trying to be on a lynch, instead of looking for scum.

[Thanatos]

I could have sworn you've been on more. If I was wrong, my apologies.

[Thanatos]

Ah, I must have confused them for being too serious, or just remembered wrong.

[Thanatos]

ah right.

Well, that's boardline. 3 serious bandwagon votes on D1 is worth, for me at least, an IGMEOY.

[Thanatos]

....generally, I'm the last person to support, but I'm starting to feel as though the only way to get the game moving again is to find the person we find most scummy press him hard to end. Even if we miss lynch, we'll get the pro/anti-town night actions done. That will get actual scum hunting going, at least for a while.

[Thanatos]

....generally, I'm the last person to support, but I'm starting to feel as though the only way to get the game moving again is to find the person we find most scummy press him hard to end. Even if we miss lynch, we'll get the pro/anti-town night actions done. That will get actual scum hunting going, at least for a while.

Good idea.

Unvote, Vote: Thanatos

I figured somebody would react that way. Give a better idea to get the game moving, I'll listen.

[Thanatos]

...hmm...Under normal circumstances, I would let MoS go, because he hasn't done anything scummy, he's just being a jerk...that said, it WAS my plan...let
s see how it goes.

Vote:MoS

[Thanatos]

Just because I am not gung ho about starting bandwagons does not mean I'm scum. Besides that, if I had voted him as soon as he did it, all I'd be doing is making an OMGUS vote. This way, it's at least doing something useful.

[Thanatos]

Or, just maybe, it's a habit of mine. wouldn't that make more sense then doing something I would know I'd already did as a scum move?

What kind of argument is STFU, anyways?

[Thanatos]

I know it's a WIFOM, but all I meant by it is that you shouldn't auto-assume my role based on things which have other explinations. Just because I had a personal doubt about it in these situations (not to mention the invevitable OMGUS it would have cause) does not mean I'm scum. You're jumping to conclusions.

[Thanatos]

I didn't vote him because he voted me. I voted him for the reasons I said. hell, those reasons, in and of them self don't apply unless other people are voting him. I had no reason to vote for him before there was a wagon. *facepalm*

[Thanatos]

All Thanatos said is that it would be a great idea to lynch someone today, and explained why.

It must have just dawned on the noob, and he wanted to share his discovery, and enlighten us all.

The guy doesn't even have 250 posts yet.

Easy prey isn't he? Like a newly hatched duckling.

To be more accurate, I suggested we pick someone and lynch him (or put serious reassure on) who we might otherwise not show as much interest in, since the game was stalling significantly.

As we see, simply suggesting that has gotten the game moving, so I can't say I'm displeased.

[Thanatos]

Look at everything that came before our posts? Don't you think that the game was stalling. I was suggesting pushing a lynch to get the game into discussion.

[Thanatos]

Hello Fonz...It's good to meet you.

I say we check his hint. If it checks out, or even if it doesn't, we've got alot to go on.

[Thanatos]

...actually, that would make sense.

[Thanatos]

Oman touched me in my special place...

[Thanatos]

To be honest, considering the ammount and type of discussion, I no longer feel that a kill for the sake of killing is worth it, for the moment, so I'll

UNVOTE

That said...I don't think DS gave sufficient reasoning for his plan on killing Niv. Even if he was a Robot, based on that article, how did you reach that conclusion about his role or alignment? It seems random to me, and honestly, I think your PBPA was more of an interrogation than an Examination, which irks me in general, but that might just be you.

Normally, I would wait and see your reasponce, but since you're not in danger, and if I do it later, Oman will crap himself,

Vote:DS

[Thanatos]

To be honest, considering the ammount and type of discussion, I no longer feel that a kill for the sake of killing is worth it, for the moment, so I'll

UNVOTE

That said...I don't think DS gave sufficient reasoning for his plan on killing Niv. Even if he was a Robot, based on that article, how did you reach that conclusion about his role or alignment? It seems random to me, and honestly, I think your PBPA was more of an interrogation than an Examination, which irks me in general, but that might just be you.

Normally, I would wait and see your reasponce, but since you're not in danger, and if I do it later, Oman will crap himself,

Vote:DS

It's not exactly a plan, it's more of a theory. I came to the conclusion that he might be Ruebert, since I remembered reading the first few Ruebert strips in one of my Dilbert books a long time ago. Ruebert does nothing but piss Dilbert off at first, and since I'm guessing that a Dilbert-themed game would have Dilbert as a protagonist (after all, he IS the protagonist of the strip), Dilbert and people aligned with Dilbert would be pro-town, or weasels in this game. Therefore Ruebert would be anti-town in the beginning, but pro-town once he's fixed.

You don't like my PBPA? I don't see you doing any. Go do one yourself once we've finished discussing mine, then you can say it irks you.

Also, I think we should wait for Niv to disprove my theory by ceasing his supposed PR if it's fake before we do anything drastic. Of course, if it's an authentic PR, then he won't be able to.

Oh, I intend to, but only when I have the time and inclination.

Oh hey, Niv confirmed he had a PR. Awsome.

[Thanatos]

Wow, I leave for a few days and all this happens? I'm going to need to stew on it for a while.

[Thanatos]

Hmm...Ok, I think I understand most of what going on, Though Real Life is slowly killing me at the moment. However, Glork, I don't understand your reasoning for refusing to claim and potentially incriminating DGB. I wouldn't want you to do it now, but if you were about to be lynched, why not?

[Thanatos]

Hmm...Ok, I think I understand most of what going on, Though Real Life is slowly killing me at the moment. However, Glork, I don't understand your reasoning for refusing to claim and potentially incriminating DGB. I wouldn't want you to do it now, but if you were about to be lynched, why not?

Nightkills, maybe? It's like you know he's not going to get nightkilled. You see, if Glork doesn't roleclaim, scum won't have a clear target for their nightkill. There's no real way to tell if his power (if he indeed has a power) is better than DGB's (if she indeed has a power).

If we have a doc, I suggest protection on either DGB or Glork tonight.

Geting Lynched is FAR worse than getting night killed.

1. Lynches are the towns main tool. Wasting it, particularly on a power role , is the worst thing that can happen in a day.

2. Getting Night killed means you can use your power one more time, which, unless your a Cop, could help a lot.


Think before you post.

[Thanatos]

Hmm...Ok, I think I understand most of what going on, Though Real Life is slowly killing me at the moment. However, Glork, I don't understand your reasoning for refusing to claim and potentially incriminating DGB. I wouldn't want you to do it now, but if you were about to be lynched, why not?

Nightkills, maybe? It's like you know he's not going to get nightkilled. You see, if Glork doesn't roleclaim, scum won't have a clear target for their nightkill. There's no real way to tell if his power (if he indeed has a power) is better than DGB's (if she indeed has a power).

If we have a doc, I suggest protection on either DGB or Glork tonight.

Geting Lynched is FAR worse than getting night killed.

1. Lynches are the towns main tool. Wasting it, particularly on a power role , is the worst thing that can happen in a day.

2. Getting Night killed means you can use your power one more time, which, unless your a Cop, could help a lot.


Think before you post.

Damn. I should clarify. That post was directed to your "It's like you know he's not going to be nightkilled" line.

As for the confusion aspect of it...That doesn't matter if he gets killed in Day, before night even begins.

[Thanatos]

Posting will be at a minimum until th 20th, at which point it will be at a maximum

[Thanatos]

Why are you convinced I'm scum again?

I've got alot of games going on, not to mention it's the last week of the Semester, so pointing me too it would be just awsome.

[Thanatos]

hey, I've taken a break from MS.net for a while, but I', back, and I'll catch up here first.

[Thanatos]

Thanatos' breathing seems to be quite inconvenient.

How is it that I can pretty much not post in this game for ages, as I work on other things, and you're still obsessed with me. It's not really scummy, Persay, just weird.

[Thanatos]

Thanatos' breathing seems to be quite inconvenient.

How is it that I can pretty much not post in this game for ages, as I work on other things, and you're still obsessed with me. It's not really scummy, Persay, just weird.

I actually find this post very scummy. I truly hope that you don't think lurking should make people forget about you!

also:

Transportation, understanding and hurricanes

Sorry. I wasn't trying to build a case against him. I was simply surprised.

Glad to see we have an Active member in Thok.

And, if you havn't figured it out, I fully support a DS lynch, especially this late into D1.

[Thanatos]

Undo, I'm a little insulted. You seem to be insinuating that I put the third vote on people as it is some sort of scum magic number...but the fact is, as I've pointed out, at the time many of those votes were placed, I was hesitant about voting due to something that had occurred in another game. Involving DS himself, in fact, but I won't go into that too deeply. Furthermore, to say that I was voting 3rd as a scumtell is silly. Would I be so stupid as scum as to do that knowingly? Any fool would realize that it would eventually become obvious, especially if I continued to do so throughout this game, and it would draw attention to myself. Call it a WIFOM, but I'm not using this to prove that I am not a scum. Simply, your reason for thinking I'm scum in inherently flawed!

[Thanatos]

Undo: You give some pretty good reaon to think Quagmire is scummy yourself, and I give a few more in previous posts (for the most part saying what you said.)
One extra point is I found it seems he's been trying to take control of the town (Act like he's caught scum with little or no given evidence, not once but TWICE)
I don't think anyone else (besides Quag himself) has actually denied a scummyness from him, for that

FOS: undo

I can see no scumminess in Quagmire's posts. He clearly likes to provoke, but as I see it that's a characteristic of his playstyle. His attitude is too risky for a scum. Despite not being very nice, Quagmire is clearly assertive and firm, while scum tend to be much more careful and fickle.

Yeah, this post is made of pure, unadultured truth. Quag stirs up the muck, but if he's protown, you can bet he's doing it in a way that's helpful.

Also, taking control of a town is by no means a scumtell, Foolster. After a game (in which I was the protown Doctor), mlaker called Ibby (protown Gunsmith) and me the "J.D. Rockefeller and JP Morgan of mafia" because he felt we monopolized and controlled the entire game. And we did. I rode everybody's asses, browbeat people into doing or talking about what I wanted, and pushed lynches with endless stubbornness at times. If you know what you're doing, it can actually be a pretty useful tool. So basically, I

perfectly

agree with Undo's analysis here. Quag's a bad lynch today. Period.

Not really. When I play scum, I tend to follow that way, to a degree, but I've seen scum get away (or nearly get away) with muscling their way to a mislynch through crassness and so called "loud" logic. I'm not saying that's what's going on, just that it's a possibility.

[Thanatos]

Ack! I come look at this topic and We've lynched DS for no real reason. Well...he'd left, there was a deadline, and we had nothing to go on....Hopefully, he'll be scum.

This isn't the first time I've seen DS get quick lynched. It worked well in the other game. heh.

[Thanatos]

Well, considering that I, from the begining, put my vote down on DS, and then, as he was going down, said nothing, should help out a little.

That said...I care very little about this game. I'm following it, but I don't really care. I'l lcomment if something sticks out, but frankly, with a 40 page D1, and a single freaking kill this night, the game is moving too slow for my taste.

I'm pro-town. No question about it. If you have accusations, I'll defend myself, but, in a way I wonder if killing me now might be to the benefit of the town in the long run, for...complicated reasons.

[Thanatos]

Well, DP, you're partially right. I am a vanilla, and the reason I don't mind dying is related to that. Generally, I don't like the way this game is going. It's far too slow, with alot of crap that's impossible for me to analysis. I can't really do much in this game, and the various cross fires are jumbling up my brain to the point where I can't analyis properly.

However, this is only why I, as a person, don't mind the gallows. The fact is, we are not going to do a perfect game. There will be mis-lynches. A few people seem to believe that I am scum. They are wrong, however, if I can not prove this, it would be better for me to die than, say, a cop or Doctor. Meanwhile, we have our nightroles getting more information, more evidence is building up, and our position becomes better.

In short...If you are going to mis-lynch someone, I'd rather it be me. Still, I don't want anyone to be miss-lynched, so I'm still going to play my hardest, make no mistake, DP.

And that's my stance. What's yours, Oman?

[Thanatos]

A Perfect game. I mean that, inevitably, there will be a mis-lynch. In large games, they're needed to get night roles moving, and to thin out suspicious townies. They happen, they arn't good, but they're only really bad in the late game or when they are power roles. Hence, I don't hold myself very high. If this was a mini, it'd be different.

[Thanatos]

Ok, so you WANT a mislynch today? Sure no game's perfect, but that's no reason not to TRY for perfect. The fact that you're putting yourself up as a martyr so early just screams scum to me.

Ugh. Stop putting words in my mouth. Nobody except scum want a mislynch. I never said I wouldn't attack people I think are scum, or defend myself, and I certinally don't plan to suicide. The only thing I say is that, if your going to mislynch, I'd rather it be me than a power role.

What this means is investigate into my actions away. (directed at Oman) because I really don't care. It's for the good of the town for you to do so.

[Thanatos]

Alright then. I've given my stance, that's all I really care to give. Just keep this in mind when you question my actions. I think being an open book in this situation is best, that said.

Oman, put up or shut up. You've been hounding me for, as best I can tell, no real reason.

vote:Oman

[Thanatos]

Oy. Everyone seems to be missing the point I'm trying to make. It's not that I want to get killed! It's that it's better for me to die than a power role. That's all.

And frankly, I havn't been convinced by Oman's case. I think he's being petulant, and keeps at it without any real evidence. Maybe I missed something, but I don't think so.

[Thanatos]

I stand by what I said, but glork makes a damn good argument.

I want Porochaz to respond.

Honestly, the people who have been pushing for this (with the exception of, ironically Oman, because he was always like this, and DP, for his sincerity regarding what I'm doing) are scum. I know what I said was obnoxious. That does not make me scum. That makes me a scum target. Think about it.

Of the 4 people, not counting Oman, who are on me, 2 of them are likely to be scum. That's my feeling right now. Oman is a seperate issue. The more I think about it, the more I wonder...

Either way, Porochaz should respond. If I don't like what I see, I'll give him my vote.

[Thanatos]

My Meta on DS leads me to believe that he doesn't distance very hard, so I'm pretty sure that DP and Niv are not connected with DS. I can't link the game, however. It's on-going, and I MIGHT be wrong about his buddies. However, that is how it appears to me.

[Thanatos]

I'm here, but I'm about to go on a week long trip with limited internet. replace if you want.

[Thanatos]

Ugh, I kinda want to live now, but I've been gone too long, and can't follow this game anymore. Usually I play much better, but I just can't wrap my head around this one. It's not that I just don't care because I'm vanilla, honest. There's something about this game that frustrates me. Maybe it's some of the players, or how the discussion has evolved. Either way, just kill me and get it over with. No replacement should deal with this crap, and I don't even know where to begin with my defense.

What I will say though, is that there are alot of scum on my wagon. Poro, and Oman both deserve a strong investigation after this, as well as about a 3rd of my votes. Now then, would someone please finish me off. I really don't want to do it myself. That's just downright Emo. I'm not going for that. I'm just being honest about my situation.

[Thanatos]

oh, and before I forget: an information tidbit. I had a prior, antagonistic, history with DS, in the recently finished Mini 523. That may or may not have affected his play with me.

[Thanatos]

What I will say though, is that there are alot of scum on my wagon.

You know this for fact?

Of course not. But I'd stake the farm on it.

[Thanatos]

oh, and before I forget: an information tidbit. I had a prior, antagonistic, history with DS, in the recently finished Mini 523. That may or may not have affected his play with me.

Um, what is this suppose to reference? Most of the recent arguments for you being scum reference your lurking/lack of opinions.

Someone was discussing DS' voting pattern on me. I forget who it was.

[Thanatos]

No point in getting agitated over it. I fucked up, and I doubt anything I coulkd say at this point would lead to a miraculous turn around. Instead, I look to the future, and say that the way people voted for me, and the reasons, could prove beneficial in the future.

[Thanatos]

I am trying to analyze thge way people are voting on me, but I'm not making much progress, sadly. I have my Hunchs, though. Poro, mainly, and Oman is constantly confusing.

I also wonder if Memne might be distancing himself from my Bandwagon, for an "I told you so" moment later on. But, as always, things can go either way.

[Thanatos]

One thing I've noticed. Boomkitty is the only one who I can see actually put alot of thought into voting me, and frankly, I don't blame her for the logic she using.

Undo, however, in his PBPA....what has he proven? I vote 3rd alot, which is questionable as a scumtell at best. and that I'm lazy regarding this game, and went on vacation last week.

This is a good reason to vote for someone? This reeks of scumminess.

[Thanatos]

One thing I've noticed. Boomkitty is the only one who I can see actually put alot of thought into voting me, and frankly, I don't blame her for the logic she using.

Undo, however, in his PBPA....what has he proven? I vote 3rd alot, which is questionable as a scumtell at best. and that I'm lazy regarding this game, and went on vacation last week.

This is a good reason to vote for someone? This reeks of scumminess.

Vacation is not the point. The point is that he admitted to be lurking during the Thok/Korlash discussion.

And as far as we know, you were not in vacation that time.

If That was the case, then why did you link to the one where I said I was on vacation?

[Thanatos]

Gorrad, what did you mean by WIFOM in your post? I'm confused?

[Thanatos]

HAMMER HAMMER HAMMER HAMMER!

STOP. HAMMER TIME.

That said, I'm just as pissed when people ask me to claim. I've done it a while ago.

DS is right though. Life is hard right now, and unless a game REALLY interests me (only 1 right now, maybe two after night finally ends in that one) I can be a lazy SOB. Your overzealousness to my lynch Oman is blinding you from a much more simple solution; One that's just as probable.

I'll say this though, to sum up my observations of you after all this time: I do believe you think I'm scum. You're just wrong.

[Thanatos]

interesting. I'm curious as to what they are.

[Thanatos]

Actually, that's a good question. Oman, have you ever put significant effort into this game that WASN'T about getting me lynched?

[Thanatos]

-_- when I turn up innocent, how does that NOT make you the most likely scum?

[Thanatos]

Or at least totally useless, having done nothing but lynch a townie.

[Thanatos]

Thanatos, have you got anything to say about my analysis of you? How about this part, in particular:

Post 1026 caught my eye because it sounded as if Thanatos was attempting to breadcrumb a role.

I'm pro-town. No question about it. If you have accusations, I'll defend myself, but, in a way I wonder if killing me now might be to the benefit of the town in the long run, for...complicated reasons.

Complicated reasons? Someone asked him about this earlier, but he never really gave a decent answer. Thanatos, what

did

you mean by that?

Basicly, I'm having difficulting following this game, because there's alot of people that was just impossible for me to read, and I didn't consistantly have the time to devote to it. So I look at myself, as a vanilla townie, and think "You know, if they all want to kill me, why should I go so far out of my way to stop them, when I might just end up killing off a power role if I suceed."

In short, the logic isn't really all that complicated. "If they kill me, the town gains information without lynching a power role." But I've said this before. It's why most people want me dead, supposedly. I've changed my mind though, somewhat, if only because I've become more interested.

Niv: You know something? I really have no idea.

[Thanatos]

So all we know for sure is that Glork has a night action. Great.

[Thanatos]

Niv is right. I wonder if Drunk posting is the reason I can't follow this game. *eye roll*

[Thanatos]

Ok...I sent a PM to Iammars. If I don't hear from him, and if there's interest from enough of the players, I'll take over modding the game.

How many people are still interested in playing?

In all honesty, I'm not, but you could have probably guessed that by now.