DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ
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You didn't really think you could have a throwback game without me showing up sometime, right?
I am confirming in. I have only read the first 50 pages and Day 4, so I am going to need a little time and help catching up. It shouldn't take long.
In the meantime, please enjoy this mood music.
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noIn post 5441, hiplop wrote:Can you cancel your nuke on me vi
like maybe I'd consider it if I could
but I'm one of those nerds who reads the rules
so I can't
so while we wait for the inevitable, anything you want to say?Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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First, let's begin by clarifying the game state. <DanganRonpa music goes here>
Let's look at the role distribution.
Fighter (Role Cop) = RedCoyote (Town)
Night 1: ??
Night 2: ErrantParabola (not helpful)
Dead Day 3, nuked by Papa Zito (Town)
Espionage (Cop) = GuyInFreezer (Town)
Night 1: Fate (not helpful)
Night 2: hiplop (not Russian, about to be moot)
Result is irrelevant for Night 3, killed by Russians.
Aircraft Carrier (Roleblocker) = xRECKONERx (Town)
Night 1: ??
Night 2: This string of posts suggests LLD.
Night 3: ?? (not any of the nuclear silos)
Killed by the Terrorist on Night 3.
Battleship (Doctor) = Cephrir
Night 1: Cheetory6 (not helpful)
Night 2: GuyInFreezer (kill blocked on this Night)
Night 3: Cheetory6 (not helpful)
Currently alive. Results may be inaccurate.
Radar (Tracker) = ErrantParabola (Town)
Night 1: GuyInFreezer (targeted Fate, corroborated, doesn't really matter)
Night 2: hiplop (went nowhere)
Nuked Day 3 by Accountant (Town).
Covert Ops Team (Nuke Blocker) = SpyreX
Night 1: irrelevant
Night 2: I missed it but it turned out to be irrelevant
Night 3: Mastin (never confirmed as the nuke of text was recalled)
Currently alive. Results may be inaccurate.
Counterintelligence (Framer) = Nahdia
Night 1: As far as I can tell this is irrelevant.
Night 2: Presumably no one if Nahdia is Town. Potentially relevant outcomes include {hiplop, Espionage, not-Russian} and {hiplop, Radar, nowhere}.
Night 3: As far as I can tell this is irrelevant.
Currently alive. Results may be inaccurate.
Submarine (Secret Nukes) = Papa Zito (Town)
Day 3: Hits RedCoyote (Town).
Killed on Day 3 by the Terrorist Sub.
Eavesdrop (cause of real silliness in secret places) = Vaxkiller (Town)
Got stuff that's inthread somewhere.
Nuked on Day 4 by hiplop.
Air Base (Ascetic) = GreyICE
Currently alive. Technically the claim is unproven and such but etc.
Fallout Shelter (Un-nukeable) = Lady Lambdadelta
Currently alive. Technically the claim is unproven and such but etc.
Fail Safe (Counternuke) = MagnaofIllusion
Currently alive. Technically the claim is unproven and such but etc.
Strategic Missile Defense (Nukeblocker, the archnemesis of Nukebringer) = Ircher (Town)
Day 3: Brought down a nuke shot by Untrod Tripod aiming at xRECKONERx (Town).
Nuked Day 3 by Nukebringer (I made that joke two lines above without noticing this) (Russian).
Three Russians out of five are dead. Their kill targets were:
Night 2: Blocked. Options for why include {targeting GreyICE, LLD being the killer??, targeting GuyInFreezer (Town), utter carelessness}.
Night 3: GuyInFreezer (Town).
The Terrorist is still in play. Their kill targets were:
Night 1: Fate (Town)
Night 2: Spiffeh (Russian)
Day 3: Papa Zito (Town)
Night 3: xRECKONERx (Town)
All other players have nuclear silos. Ignoring the long stream of Town-on-Town angst, these are the ones that are relevant now.
hiplop nukes Nukebringer (Russian)
Untrod Tripod nukes xRECKONERx (Town) (but nuke was shot down by Ircher (Town))
Cheetory6 nukes Accountant (Town)
Mastin (Town) nukes Cephrir, but recalls it.
Untrod Tripod nukes Mastin (Town)
hiplop nukes Vaxkiller (Town)
Cheetory6 nukes hiplop
There will be, following hiplop's death, two Missile Silos in the game - belonging to me and Untrod Tripod.
Last thoughts before moving on to, y'know, actually read the thread (which I imagine will be less helpful than making this post).
1) Why was Fate killed?
2) The most difficult role to deal with - the Air Base - is still alive going into the endgame. I get why; the fact that it and the Fail Safe managed to sandwich together is kind of hilarious. However, given that I am Town and making the (at this point rather dubious) assumption that UT is Town, the Russians have no way whatsoever to unilaterally kill GreyICE beyond endgaming him. (The Terrorist + Sub does not have this problem.) Given the options of {Lynch GreyICE / Nuke GreyICE / leave GreyICE alive} without further thought about his allegiance, I'm not really sure what the optimal play is, but I think I would strike off nuking him simply because as long as he's alive, if he's not Russian, the window for the Russians to win is small and closing. Like for real 3p LyLo kingmaker closing.
2c1) Terrorist+Sub makes for some truly interesting LyLo dynamics in general.
2c2) The chance of the Russians targeting GreyICE for their kill, given that Nukebringer had a chance to nuke GreyICE and didn't, is pretty low. (They themselves would not have known for sure why their kill failed.)
3) Why hasn't LLD been going nutso over trying to decode the scum leaks? She's SO GOOD at codes, y'know.
4) At this point all of the power roles have failed us. That is the conclusion of this post. Normally I'd chug the wine and say Cephrir is Town despite letting the Cop die but I'm not going to given the circumstances and the possibility of Cephrir+LLD being scum. The two remaining missile silos (yes, including the one I replaced) have performed abominably (as have all the other missile silos tbf) because lol policy lynches don't work, and there's nothing left now. Whatever happens now is going to be on the strength of reads. :/
4c1) Despite just saying lol policy lynches don't work, I can't begin to express how glad I am to replace into a game right after all the new unreasonable spammy yelly people have been killed, leaving me with all the warm and familiar unreasonable spammy yelly people. Like I'm being serious.
5) Oh wow I'm only just now looking forward in the game state and:
*After hiplop dies there will be eight players left.
*The Terrorist Sub will almost certainly launch. (Seven players)
*We sure are lynching someone Today. (Six players)
*One, probably two people will die overNight. (Four players)
*And, of course, the Terrorist Sub will fire again. (Three players)
*Do we want to include the outside chance that me or UT will survive and get to nuke someone?
What I'm saying is that you people really screwed up /}
After hiplop dies this may need to be re-evaluated - I'm assuming a Town flip - but there's a non-zero chance that this will be the last non-formality lynch we get. Right now the Terrorist is in pretty excellent shape to win the game AFAICT; the path to victory for both the Americans and Russians goes through the Terrorist dying before Day 5 opens and the team with the advantage going onward is based on whether there are any crosskills.
This is, again, without actually attempting to read the thread for comprehension. If people would like to explain why they think so-and-so is Town based on game state stuff I'd be happy to hear it, but I'm waiting for a fliplop before doing anything too big.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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but yes continuing my useless Mafia theory
ideally we hit Terrorist Today, and go to 5p LyLo (because Terrorist Sub)
if me, UT, and Moai are alive Town can direct kills on four out of those five people
if we hit Russian Today (RT) we very likely wind up with 1-1-1 or 2-0-1/2-1-0. The former is 0% for America; the latter is generic LyLo.
if we hit American Today then... eh, I don't really want to put much thought into it
so yeah
would be sweet to find Russians to make 'em sweat but it's legit third-party hunting time for Town
get on my level JEEP
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I mean asking is freeIn post 5448, hiplop wrote:
Surely an exception can be Granted b.c no one was in the slot when it could be recalledIn post 5442, Vi wrote:
noIn post 5441, hiplop wrote:Can you cancel your nuke on me vi
like maybe I'd consider it if I could
but I'm one of those nerds who reads the rules
so I can't
so while we wait for the inevitable, anything you want to say?
but why should I recall it if I couldEverything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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hello yes welcome to the cool kids clubIn post 5453, Nahdia wrote:
hiIn post 5443, Vi wrote:leaving me with all the warm and familiar unreasonable spammy yelly people
here's your WOOOOOSH and some magic bullets
if I dig through the back there may be some werebeer and dodgeballs
prolly all out of zeusbolts and nuclear dunks thoughEverything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Untrod Tripod wrote:hey vi
hey vi
hey vi
uhUntrod Tripod wrote:let's pretend our nukes are bans and use them capriciously just like back in the day
what nukes?
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All right, time to actually do stuff.
1a) Is anyone actually questioning Nahdia-Town?
1b) Is anyone thinking of questioning Nahdia-Town in the future?
2) Why is UT not scum? Like seriously the Mastin nuke was super-opportunistic.
3) For SpyreX: Why, as Town, would you ever use your role? Even if it is on Mastin.
4) Does anyone other than GreyICE have a read to share on Moai?
5) What about Cephrir? Is it decided that he's Town after all...?
6) For LLD: Why haven't you been on about the scum codes?
7) Why did Fate die?
ugh did I really mean to do work on my first weekend back
If the nukes are Town then the Russians can only try to lynch you. Kinda hard for the Terrorist to win that way if that doesn't happen.I mean does it really matter who he shoots at? The odds SpyreX sabotaged Cheetory of all people have to be like 1%
Hey, wait a minute. SpyreX sabotaged Mastin on NightTwo, right...? Or did I get that wrong?Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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hmmpeggy: maybe alice?
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we want to admire alice anyway.
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expect adverse effect to peggy from 294 but if needed maybe
might also cause reverse
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is admiring sam possible
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that would be great
even better for peggy if it happens without alice delivering
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peggy admire neil ?
this is clearly talking about a role action
basically this is saying that one of the scum has an active action that is NOT a nuke
is it not?
how many of those are there left
answer: SpyreX, Nahdia, Cephrir?
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lol the Vaxkiller drops quote from My Immortal? How many people have such trashy taste as to post that?
Like, the only person I'd consider who would do it that has flipped scum is maybe Equinox, and even then only if channeling Shadoweh.
I can think of a few people who are currently alive who would do it though
Vaxkiller it would be really bloody useful in the future if you actually told us when these posts came in. Thank you and all future message grabbers in advance.this is from Page 130 aka DAY 1 like what the hell peopleEverything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Sh'mon, SpySpy. Things are about to get real.In post 5476, Vi wrote:Hey, wait a minute. SpyreX sabotaged Mastin on NightTwo, right...? Or did I get that wrong?Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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IIn post 5481, Nahdia wrote:I would quote My Immortal.havequoted My Immortal. Then I realized that I could potentially be in violation of site rules for posting pr0n, so I switched to lorem ipsum bacon.
Then the mod gave me an ingame warning for not posting in English.
Gosh I miss the old days when... wait, in the old days there was a scum person who tried to get me modkilled because I posted an image with red text on it, and red was the mod color. So never mind not much has changed.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Yes yes I get it scum have a role action it's called a kill etc.
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People who have medium-term memories: Was there anyoneother than Fatewho wanted Untrod Tripod dead on Day 1?
Doc is the first action that comes to mind. Then again, how would you explain "mining"? Is there necessarily a correlation?LLD 5487 wrote:Vi, if you were to admire someone, from a scum perspective, what kind of action do you think they're taking?Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Then, what we're looking at is eitherIn post 5486, Nahdia wrote:
Yes. Night 2 was the night Spiffeh died, the next day was the first day of DEFCON 1 which was the day mastin was sabbed.In post 5482, Vi wrote:
Sh'mon, SpySpy. Things are about to get real.In post 5476, Vi wrote:Hey, wait a minute. SpyreX sabotaged Mastin on NightTwo, right...? Or did I get that wrong?
*SpyreX did not take an action Night 3, or
*the bag of Cheetos was opened Night 3 and the nuke on hiplop is past its expiration date, or
*SpyreX is incapable of noticing who has nuclear silos when they are launching all around him
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He wouldn't have known that on Night 2.In post 5489, GreyICE wrote:3) Doesn't SpyreX confirm a player non-SK every time he uses his role?
...yeah, that's fair. (Counterpoint: scum Doc lives how much of the time after not protecting the Cop?)5) Isn't Cephrir obviously town. If he was scum Nukebringer nukes GIF, 110% of the time. 125% of the time? 110000000% of the time? I don't see a world in which Cephrir is scum and they don't nuke GIF after shooting me N2.
this is the height of the UT wagon, more or lessUntrod Tripod [11] -mastina, Ser Arthur Dayne,Nahdia,McMenno,hiplop,ErrantParabola, Ircher,Something_Smart,Vaxkiller, Fate,Spiffeh
Something_Smart [7]-RedCoyote,Untrod Tripod,GuyInFreezer, Accountant,MagnaofIllusion,Nukebringer,Cephrir
mastina [3]- Lady Lambdadelta,Papa Zito,SpyreX
Lady Lambdadelta [1] - GreyICE
Not Voting [2] -xRECKONERx, Cheetory6
where are the Russians
there are two Russians missing and I can comfortably see UT as one of them
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Same question, given that from what I can tell S_S was a bus that picked its kids up early and went across town. Like even looking back further it's tough to find any scum on UT.Andrius 2774 wrote:Something_Smart [10]-RedCoyote,Spiffeh,Untrod Tripod,GuyInFreezer, Fate,SpyreX,Accountant,MagnaofIllusion, GreyICE,Nukebringer
Untrod Tripod [9] -mastina, Ser Arthur Dayne,Nahdia,McMenno,hiplop,ErrantParabola, Ircher,Something_Smart,Cephrir
mastina [2]- Lady Lambdadelta,Papa Zito
Not Voting [3] -xRECKONERx, Cheetory6, Vaxkiller
Here's a breaking point.
yeah here's a spot where you have a bunch of blue names and a bunch of living players together on someone who turned out TownAndrius 2516 wrote:Untrod Tripod [5] -mastina, Cheetory6, Ser Arthur Dayne,Nukebringer,Fate
mastina [5]- Lady Lambdadelta, SpyreX,Papa Zito, GuyInFreezer,Untrod Tripod
Something_Smart [5]-RedCoyote,Cephrir,Accountant,MagnaofIllusion,Spiffeh
Ircher [2] - McMenno, ErrantParabola- GreyICE
Vaxkiller [1]
McMenno [1] - Ircher-
GuyInFreezer [1]Something_Smart
SpyreX [1] -Vaxkiller
Not Voting [3] - hiplop, Nahdia,xRECKONERx
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you are ropebaitIn post 5496, Untrod Tripod wrote:
so am I the terrorist or am I scum? The fate kill was from the terroristIn post 5488, Vi wrote:People who have medium-term memories: Was there anyoneother than Fatewho wanted Untrod Tripod dead on Day 1?
Doc is the first action that comes to mind. Then again, how would you explain "mining"? Is there necessarily a correlation?LLD 5487 wrote:Vi, if you were to admire someone, from a scum perspective, what kind of action do you think they're taking?
if hiplop flips terrorist then you can more specifically be narrowed down to "Russian"
Martina McBride? You nuked an unmistakably American celebrity????Martina nukeEverything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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@UT: I like to believe that you fire COMMUNIST missiles like the Nodong but you've given them nuclear capabilities and renamed them Loldongs
curiously this is day #2 where this cannot be validatedSpyreX 5500 wrote:As a shock to all i sabotaged mastin againEverything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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also I like everyone else just noticed (while reading mastin's iso no less) that the carrier doesn't block kills
so LLD getting blocked to prevent the scum kill is out
which doesn't really change anything but I feel bad because I knew I had read that already
@LLDwhy did you not want SpyreX to claim in this post? I don't understand the theory behind it.
Isn't it just a bit late to claim you don't understand things?SpyreX wrote:Wait didnt zitos mastin nuke land and fail
You have reads? I must have missed them.UT 5505 wrote:Like saying "lol opportunistic" is so tone deaf and illiterate that I'm starting to doubt my Cheetory townreadEverything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Okay, that was a reading comprehension failure on my part. I apologize deeply.
And now for some things I won't apologize about.
1) What incentive do you have as Town to use this ability?
2) Given that it blocks the Terrorist's Sub, what incentive do you have as Town to use this abilityon the same person as a previous Day?Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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also isn't hiplop being good at Mafia a meme or something
because skillzlop would have committed suicide by now as any alignment
actually I just want to spend as little time playing Mafia as possible and being unable to move forward until midnight or something just prolongs the amount of time I have to etc.
but if all you have to offer are stonerposts then please do take the swift boat out as soon as the nuke cannot be recalled
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never mindCovert Ops Team: (*NEW*) In order to carry out a successful nuclear strike, it is crucial to ensure the missile will not be deflected and the enemy left unscathed and free to retaliate. Special infiltration teams are secretly positioned in every enemy nation, read to make sure this happens when the brass gives the word. {Each night, you may target a player. If target player is currently deploying amissile silo, you sabotage it. Until the next night phase, if themissile silouses either function, the missile will launch but not detonate. For nuclear launch mode, the ICBM will not detonate and the target will not die. For Anti-ballistic missile mode, the missile will launch but will not intercept its target.}
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You're a good person who is also potentially tipsy.In post 5529, SpyreX wrote:Hey you dont get to make me question.my existance then.just float away validate.me
As far as using the ability goes, I acknowledge that the way you used it is not inconsistent with a Town mindset. I also acknowledge that I have no idea how you (or I or anyone else) would use it differently as scum.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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I'm not convinced it's as clean as you're describing it. Presumably under that scenario you would be getting Russians to investigate as Americans since that's the kind of investigation that doesn't lead to you getting nuked, but you would have to outguess which person GiF would target. The ability really isn't that good. Given that, it would be substantially better to off the Cop (especially since the Terrorist doesn't really have much reason to do so).In post 5538, Nahdia wrote:I realize no one is pressuring me rn (except MoI kinda) but just wanted to point out that unless I'm scum with Cephrir as my partner, taking that huge risk in shooting GiF is some serious meshugaas coming from me. With radar dead I could just let GiF get false checks.
tbh I want to file this aside LLD's "I'm American because I've been begging to be investigated", where you're betting that asking for an ostensibly pro-Town action to happen to you results in a lower chance of it actually happening.GreyICE 5544 wrote:Then she begged to be POE nuked yesterday.
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Actually I am going to ask about this one while things play out because I don't follow. Unless Mastin actually said IMMA SHOOT TOWNZ then there's no reason to believe that this wouldn't backfire. I'm not sure where LLD comes into this.In post 5547, GreyICE wrote:
She, and... this is actually kinda convincing. Unless you're playing DEEP cover operative. Or LLD is scum. Because you had no reason to doubt Mastina besides the usual (aka she's cray cray)In post 5531, SpyreX wrote:As scum id have not announced it for sure tried to hide more in the weeds waay longer.
And no way would i have sabotaged crazyface cause you know hes on for only good scum things
Granted. (Why did no one nuke Nahdia, aside from how it would be the least satisfying policy lynch available?)Nukes are a plentiful commodity. All scum-Nahdia needs is one player to go "oh that does sound like a good idea, NUKES AWAY LAWL"Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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That... doesn't sound like a particularly destructive thing? Unless she hadn't revealed at that time that she was the Fallout Shelter, merely that she was asking for investigations.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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I don't disagree and would add that she has already more or less claimed as meta that it's one of the abilities she would go for as scum.
But before we move on from it, please see 5557, unless you think it has no value.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Now we're playing with POWER.In post 5561, GreyICE wrote:Now we're crosstalking.NUCLEARPOWER.
So we're basically in the same place with {LLD, SpX, UT}. I acknowledge that I have done very little to know what Moai has been up to this game and will rely on you for that.
Need I remind you of the time you literally spent five minutes berating me IRL about how bad my scum game was.GreyICE 5560 wrote:You (Cheetory) seem out based on the replace out interactions
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You're thinking Cowboy Bebop Redux, right? Nobody told me I was being Townread as I tried so hard to break up UK and these two shouty new people and get them to turn on each other. Oops, no, never mind, they're all power roles and they're basically confirmed to each other on Day 1. Screw all of you anime people.
Also you may have hell to payalreadyfor just how facile the criteria are for you judging my scum game.
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but back on business
Are we in agreement on this? I'll do better than my last game and actually stick to it, thereby not losing in a shameful and disgraceful manner.In post 5563, Vi wrote:So we're basically in the same place with {LLD, SpX, UT}. I acknowledge that I have done very little to know what Moai has been up to this game and will rely on you for that.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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TBH I think you're working yourself up. Run your paranoia over me, predict flips, it doesn't matter. This is DEFCON; you should be getting your lawn chair out and watching the glowy weapons-grade plutonium fireworks while singing songs about God and America as you unload your guns and your dog from your enormous 4WD pickup truck. Don't forget the barbecue; people as high up as we are in the chain of command can afford to rent a whole pig cooker. (Vinegar-based, not tomato-based, and get the good rub on there.)
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Screw you, hiplop, I was literally losing sleep over waiting for that.
Now I actually have to expend brain cells identifying which scum is which faction due to needing to hit Terrorist as previously stated.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Okay. Rechecking.
Eight players. Minus me. Seven players.
Nahdia is still out because Trrst wouldn't likely ask for a utility nuke. Six players.
Cephrir as Doctor/SK...?? who doesn't protect the Cop...? and doesn't shoot the Cop...? I'm going to go with five players.
LLD can have much said about her but one thing is "not SK". Four players.
GreyICE has the immune-to-everything-but-nukes deployment. This may resolve itself soon though.
Moai has no one saying anything about them, plus a deployment that really only helps the SK.
UT... eh? Would SK nuke Reck that way?
SpyreX is... still alive? I guess that's kind of baseline.
Good point.SpyreX 5587 wrote:Lynching the terrorist today is priority for a shot at a town win. The two votes on the one not a terrorist bother the shit out of me.
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the least helpful possibilities[NORAD SYSTEM]ERROR: MULTIPLE TARGETS DETECTED: GreyICE, Vi, Untrod Tripod, Nahdia, Cephrir
TBQH it's not going for UT and if we're going to talk magic Town reads it's probably not going for me no matter what GreyICE thinks of my beautiful Town game.
IDK I feel like I could expend effort to go into what happens if GreyICE does or does not eat this nuke but I also feel like there's no point in it when said nuke will come down in like a day and a half.
You say that, but I would have thought the same thing about Town.Nahdia 5593 wrote:As far as deployments, I really don't see a terrorist taking[...]Covert Ops (and actually use it). It's just contrary to their wincon.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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As my performance in this thread should indicate, just because you say something doesn't mean that people read it or remember it. Plus I'm looking around and I don't see UT ever acknowledging one of your posts or anything.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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IDK. After reading stuff and stuff UT's nuke on Reck was kind of the opposite of under the radar.
But I also feel like it's midnight and I feel like we're going to re-evaluate anyway once the last nuke lands.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Since Andrius previously missed it,
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*me blinks*In post 5646, GreyICE wrote:Unvote
Okay, basic math time. I don't know where the nuke will land, but lets say it hits Cephrir, or me, or whatever (not Vi now, obviously). It hits town (which it will if it's either of us). That leaves us at 4:2:1. Lynch SK, 4:2. Scum NK, 3:2. With Vi and UT as our two Nukes. If Vi is scum, that's game.
Vi says mathematically we have to lynch the serial killer.
I say I might owe my wife an apology.
Vote: Vi
It's these fucking logical inconsistencies that get you every fucking time.
Yeah, those numbers make sense (replacing Vi with UT in this scenario).So we're screwed, because what you seem to be missing is that lynching scum Today is even worse.fake edit actually we're not
Assuming the nuke hits Town (good assumption, that), we're at 4:2:1. Lynch Russian - which seems easier to do than finding a Terrorist - to reach 4:1:1. Options include 4:0:0 (Town win), 3:1:0 (MyLo), 3:0:1 -> 2:0:1 (LyLo), and 2:1:1 (could go any way).
I like that better.
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Would also vote UT because 1) scum and 2) the above Russian nuke scenario would not apply, although I'd forgive people for not going along with that.
Um, what sources do you have for this? Because I'm having difficulty remembering a time when I tried to do :theory: things as scum when the plan didn't go directly through all of my scumpartners.GreyICE 5653 wrote:Vi always makes the same mistake. Vi has a plan and the plan is 100% scum.
I wasn't in the game when Vaxkiller died IIRC. I get that you like the smell but this isn't really the time to keep your pants on your head.GreyICE 5661 wrote:No SpyreX. I think Vi had this sitting in a word document and copy/pasted every bit of it into the QT when Vax died.
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Double posting to point out that last night PST, GreyICEIn post 5654, GreyICE wrote:Well I guess not mathematically guaranteed if you aren't the target.
What's the first thing SpyreX says? "I bet Cephrir's the target". Vi has at least four different ways to win planned out in the scum QT right now, and they're in one of the scenarios.actually thoughtI replaced into a game at 3PM my time,anticipating a scum slot and super-hype after Vaxkiller died before I replaced in, and hadfour master plans on how to win ready to gowhile I presumably made a huge act of not reading anything in the thread.
tbqh this may not be alignment-relevant but it's still fun to juggle thumbtacks around his inflated ego
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Weren't you paying attention? Voting for the Terrorist is out of fashion. That's why I'm voting for, among other things, the one person whocannotbe Terrorist.
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?In post 5731, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Mod, what happens if a town fail safe and a scum are the only ones left alive? Does the game instantly end in favour of the scum? Is MoI considered still a "threat" to the EU?
or does the scum have to actually issue a kill order on MoI... and then live for 48 hours?
In the words of the youth of yesteryear, "ha ha oh wow". I appreciate how it doesn't work in the event of a Terrorist attack. And, with a literal reading of the Win Condition...Fail Safe:Courtesy of Dr Strangelove or: How I learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb. {If a player targets you with a nuclear launch, you automatically launch a nuclear weapon at that player.If you are killed by the Stealth Bomber, you may make a single post in the thread containing only the words Nuke: [PLAYERNAME] up to 72 hours after your death.Your nukes cannot be recalled or prevented by any means.}
...with an impliedYou are aligned with Russia. You win if, for 48 hours, all threats to the EU have been neutralized and at least one European remains alive.or nothing can prevent the same, which means it's not one of those wussy 50% rules. One Russian + Fail Safe that doesn't get lynched or Terrorized (or nuked I guess) = no Russian victory.
This is... two roles that the Russians cannot have alive at endgame, now (plus Air Base)? Has the informed minority ever won DEFCON?
I think you've disqualified yourself from using the word "force". That said, if we assume 4-2-1 coming out of this nuke,LLD 5732 wrote:Because if scum are forced to kill MoI and it ends in a tie... they would be forced to kill MoI and not me tonight, and force MoI to make a more blind shot.
Which simultaneously gives us a chance to win, right?
*if we lynch Russkie (4-1-1 get some info), and assuming the Terrorist hits Town, if the Russian hits the Terrorist, then they go to 3-1-0 with at least one of {Fail Safe, Air Base} in play. The only way this ends in a Russian victory is if Moai is the last Russian.
*if we lynch Russkie (4-1-1) and assuming the Terrorist hits Town, if the Russian hits the Fail Safe, then it becomes 2-1-1 with at least two nukes in play, one of which is directed by the Terrorist. At that point the game is basically decided by the Fail Safe (including and especially if Moai is the Terrorist ) or whichever nukes are left in play.
*if we lynch Town (3-2-1) then... the Terrorist hits Russian (3-1-1), if the Russians hit the Terrorist, it goes to (3-1-0) and it becomes LyLo. The dynamics of either of them being the Fail Safe are weird and I don't really care enough to do much with this because it doesn't matter let's let someone else roll the dice.
@mod: What happens in an endgame with one Russian and Air Base?It seems like there's no winnerbecause there's not enough nuclear death.
Why are you going off of one game that happened in 2011 for all your Vi meta needs?GreyICE 5734 wrote:I have a long response to type up to Vi at some point mentioning how Vi breadcrumbed a role post 1 in Fate's game using an incredibly complex reference to a previous game that was both undeniable, undetectable, and ironclad, and asked "would I do this as scum" then not only had no real answer to our universal "yes" but then also subsequently flipped scum. But this will do.
Also I'm looking back at the game now because I have no idea what you're talking about and I tried claiming/crumbing Miller as scum? In a game where someone else also claimed Miller with better flavor (but was third-party Lyncher)? Do you see how there might be some difference here? I mean I get that trousers are not usually made from clear material but etc.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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also and tbf it is completely consistent for me to listen to GreyICE about who the Russians are and LLD about who the Terrorist is, neither of your words are in vain
I really just want to say that because while it is kind of in character for GreyICE to use :badmeta: against me it's still impressive to watch it happen in real time
MAD and Happy Ever After is Terrorist Win, Vi.
well "neutralized" is a weird termYou are aligned with only yourself. You win if everyone else has been neutralized, even if you are no longer alive.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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this is the amazing part because people who have no experience with me would probably be like uhhhhh wtf is this and how is it not scummyIn post 5740, Vi wrote:HEY WAIT A MINUTE
I thought you were supposed to be able to see right through me LLD
whytf am I on your scumlist
but NO I'm surrounded by people who have copious experience with Vi-Town
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1) I feel like I asked for people to tell me why Moai is Town and words happened and my brain did not process them. There's still a fuzzy spot where MoI should be. For my sake, could you etc.?In post 5742, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
1) PoE: Nahdia and MoI are likely townIn post 5740, Vi wrote:HEY WAIT A MINUTE
I thought you were supposed to be able to see right through me LLD
whytf am I on your scumlist
2) Logic: Scum have 1 more nuke, probably
3) Cheetory's behaviour: He nuked Hippo and made it seem like it was his emotional state that caused it.
2) What the hell kind of "Logic" is that? It's not a probabilistic argument. (This is disregarding how I think UT is scum for other reasons.)
3)screw hiplopI cannot make a counterargument to this at this time, nor will I be able to before the game is over.
cut: by that same token why didn't UT nuke GreyICE
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*grips Andrius*
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I deeply apologize for the poorly-worded question. I know how uncomfortable it is to have to field them, and don't want to be part of the problem.
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/me waves buh-bye to cephrir
Dummy? Next you're going to tell me not to die dateless.In post 5752, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:NUKES ARE IN AIR, DUMMY.
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I really hate doing this, but I have an appreciation of the chances of both Russians being in {SpyreX, Untrod Tripod, MagnaofIllusion} and I'm getting told in bold letters that they will be able to quickhammer a cat.
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rereading the above post makes me feel extra-dirty
the kind of dirty you feel when you know someone is scum and you don't vote for them because being cautious and playing odds and other such spent uranium and then they win
it's like watching the mod say YOU LOSE (sucker) in sloooooooow mooooootioooooon
at the same time I would also feel squicky if UT quickdonged the cat
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That's a good image. /}In post 5767, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
No. Still V/LA but voting should absolutely wait untilIn post 5766, Vi wrote:I think that the time is now for {LLD, GreyICE, UT, SpyreX} to start voting. It really should be Ijji Modo at this point, should it not?
1. The Terrorist nuke actually hits.
2. I have some time to lay out my thoughts.
Until then ...
The chance that there will actually be a lynch before the Terrorist nuke hits - or for that matter before you lay out your thoughts - is pretty low, and I'm quite okay with that.
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Is that so?In post 5769, SpyreX wrote:My thing is i just want like 2 people i can bank them game on and its just not there.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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