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Post #37 (isolation #4) » Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:53 am
Postby Enchant »
In post 35, Aureal wrote:I'm not really liking this. I don't see the wisdom in letting Mafia know any more about the possible setup, such as whether they could be blocked or such. And I don't really expect them to be truthful about what they submitted, so we could get bamboozled thinking we can't possibly have Mafia with certain abilities.
VOTE: Enchant
I don't see you calling me mafia though.
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In post 35, Aureal wrote:I'm not really liking this. I don't see the wisdom in letting Mafia know any more about the possible setup, such as whether they could be blocked or such. And I don't really expect them to be truthful about what they submitted, so we could get bamboozled thinking we can't possibly have Mafia with certain abilities.
VOTE: Enchant
I don't see you calling me mafia though.
gtfo with that weak and sassy deflection
Ok
VOTE: Enchant
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Post #44 (isolation #7) » Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:08 am
Postby Enchant »
In post 42, Aureal wrote:
Do you really think I'm supposed to be no more suspicious of you and your suggestion without explanation than I was of Drew? Particularly given how its form shifted, and you're being inconsistent about what sort of picks you had?
Explain this
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Post #46 (isolation #8) » Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:13 am
Postby Enchant »
In post 42, Aureal wrote:Yes there's a rule saying you have to call someone Mafia before voting them? OK, I await mod intervention on that. Not holding my breath though.
You disagreed with my stance it's fine.
Voting me implues you think i am mafia. But there's nothing you said about this. So you just vote me because you disagree with my stance, without regard if i am mafia or town.
So my question is valid.
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In post 42, Aureal wrote:
Do you really think I'm supposed to be no more suspicious of you and your suggestion without explanation than I was of Drew? Particularly given how its form shifted, and you're being inconsistent about what sort of picks you had?
Explain this
You didn't give any reasoning why you think sharing info will help town, you just gave your opinion. What scenarios do you envision possibly coming about because of shared info?
You first suggested sharing"PR" picks, implying town roles.
No, it's something you put in my mouth to make your mudthrowing better. When i said to share PR picks, i meant PR picks.
PR = Power Role
Mafia can have power roles.
So anyway, setup knowledge is universal. After people start dropping, they obviously can't share it, so why we don't now.
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Post #61 (isolation #13) » Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:14 pm
Postby Enchant »
In post 58, Doctor Drew wrote:You want to share our PR picks, which would basically out all town PRs. I am genuinely confused but what you are saying, more likely than not no one chose VT.
So again, why is it a good idea to expose the town like this?
While it gives idea what roles we could have, it gives it not only for mafia. Just in case, i liked idea with outing only scummy roles more.
Doctor Drew wrote:I went and skimmed your ISO to make sure I didn't miss something.
But let me ask you a question, do you believe there are VT in here, it is every time role a RP? In your opinion.
Eh. Majority are VTs, some like 1-3 are town PRs.
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Post #64 (isolation #15) » Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:27 pm
Postby Enchant »
In post 60, biancospino wrote:@Drew, the question is not for me, but this game is Normal. By Normal guidelines, there must exist at least one VT.
Now, about revealing picks, here's the thing, it's true that Mafia can have PRs, but crucially they know which PRs the Mafia has (and presumably Townies are unlikely to lie, so the Mafia would mostly get truthful information, and can just lie in response). So Mafia can get a much better use of the information. Most importantly, I'd rather the Mafia not know which investigatives we might have, lest they could play around the menace or in any case know what to expect.
What I do see as possibly having merit is revealing picks that are
truly
Mafia only, i.e. Unstoppables / Traitors / Goons. After all, those we can be certain that are not Town, and if any of those picks is actually in the game Mafia already knows; and we could possibly benefit from knowing to expect a possible Ninja Mafioso or something.
Also, @Enchant, yes/no, do you believe it would benefit town if everyone outed
all
their PR picks?
I think yes. Atleast i don't see harm in it.
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Post #66 (isolation #16) » Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:16 pm
Postby Enchant »
In post 65, biancospino wrote:Ok, but if that's the case, I don't get why then you specifically want to reveal PR picks as opposed to just every picks. Surely if we were to do this and someone e.g. revealed only two things, then the other one is either VT or Goon and I don't see why it would be in any way beneficial to not distinguish.
And I do see the harm. Say someone picked e.g. a simple Follower and scum has a Goon, now scum know they shouldn't send the Goon to do the kill. Or maybe someone picked a disloyal FV and now Mafia knows to never declare fruit, just in case. I'm sure it's not hard to come out with countless examples. And in general I don't see why we should broadcast to the mafia what kind of roles may exist, I don't see the advantage for town and it removes the surprise effect of pretty much anything.
Erm.
We applied picks of PRs. Out of all these picks, RH made setup. This setup was REVIEWED for balance.
I see point in your words btw. As i said before, i liked idea of only revealing mafia picks first.
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In post 66, Enchant wrote:We applied picks of PRs. Out of all these picks, RH made setup. This setup was REVIEWED for balance.
I mean, that's false, we applied for
roles
, not necessarily PRs. VT is a role.
Description: Players pick either a maximum of three Normal roles or Normal roles with modifiers that they want in the setup but the prescence of such roles will not be guaranteed. Preferably, the picks are submitted during signups so the setup can be reviewed after it.
Anyway, then why did you out your JOAT(Neighborizers) then? It's not a scummy role (though in fairness I don't think any harm was done with revealing that specific pick, but still)
VT is a not Role, VT is "Vanilla Town Alignment". For example, Serial Killer and Mafia Goon are ALSO not Roles.
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Post #121 (isolation #27) » Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:54 am
Postby Enchant »
In post 119, Lycanfire wrote:Not sure if biancospino is making a good point regarding mafia only roles and just forgot that we shouldn't reveal the potential for a traitor.
Anyway can someone call me scum so I can feel good about myself? Thank you
Normal Guidelines
A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:
is Mafia-aligned
knows the identities of all of the Mafia team
identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists
cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot
is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead
gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops
If you want a Traitor that cannot be killed by its team, make it a Bulletproof Traitor. (A Traitor that investigates as though they were town is not Normal, because the Godfather role is not Normal.) Roles like this should return full names (e.g. Bulletproof Traitor) to a Role Cop investigating them.
As a Traitor is Mafia-aligned, it counts towards the Mafia's win condition. For example, in the situation of 1 Goon, 1 Traitor and 2 Townies, the game ends in a Mafia win.
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