PAge 3
Note: I am aware that a few people have claimed, but I have been really busy this last weekend so I forget who claimed vig or whatnot. I'll figure it out later, but that is actually going to help me read this with a clean slate. I Think MNOWAX and Blazerunner both claimed *something* but I forget what.
Armlx calls out Yos, for voting Blazerunner for OMGUS voting TheSilentSpeaker, who squirms delightfully and pulls up his 'official post' on OMGUS. The only way his post could be seen as applicable, though, is if he thought that A) TSS was town (or at least on his team) or B) he is twisting the normal OMGUS into something like this.
54-Blazerunner says the OMGUS wasn't an OMGUS, and then (appears) to dismantle his own case by explaining the basis for it. HE misses the point that if you lynch the cult-recruiter rather than trying to lynch people you think the recruiter will hit, those players are SAFE from being recruited. (fosfosfos)
56: vikingfan encourages targetting recruits. Pushes a "not many town can be recruited" theory, which is either a massive breadcrumb (which means he's one of only a few roles OR a cult recruitor) and tries to dismiss the risk we may be in. You shouldn't dismiss risk unless you know that it is not possible or don't want others tot hink it's possible.
Unvote, Vote : Vikingfan
Sidenote: Much like in VEngeful, the recruits are probably going to play like Goons to keep the Godfather (cult recruitor) safe. Inasmuch, the Cult Recruiter will probably (if town catches on to that) act like a recruit or like a townie.
Yos's 58: The setup takes pains to let everyone know what would happen if there are two cults (ie cult recruitors are unrecruitable) but there's nothing in the setup that would strongly indicate there is one recruitor or two, except for that line about the recruitors being unrecruitable.
Greggo's 59: This girl is smart, I Agree with her. (Finally I replace someone that has a similar reasoning as me!)
mnowax's 60 sounds pretty indignant. If I'm not mistaken, Mnowax claimed something already... Will find out with further reading I am sure, but
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to come back to this.
vikingfan's 61 is... nonsensical. Intentionally so? I'm glad I am voting him, he is cult.
armlx's 62 is a pretty good refute for MNOWAX, but if you want to look at this as prisoner's dilemma, we could pretty easily just play as normal until one cult recruiter is dead, and at that point, if a majority of players agree to it, the other cult recruitor could claim and we would all no-lynch until cult wins. But what would be the fun in that?
Blaze is scum, too. 64 confirms it. Pushing the lynching of claimed townies and then saying there ARE no claimed townies indicates that he is not a townie that might claim so. I can't think of why a townie would intentionally push a plan that would result in their own death AND hurting hte town and helping the cult at the same time. Later on saying "it is not such an absurd suggestion that only a cultist would do."slams the nail on the head. HE knows that it is a pro-cult suggestion, he is defending the non-cultiness of it which means he is aware of it.
Yos suggests that tcult recruiters will lurk and fosses mnowax for suggesting townies do the same. Actually... I will give Yosarian brownie points for this one
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but has YOS been lurking? Most of his play up to that point has been... defensive, right?
blaze stops defending himself, and starts pushing vig/sk talk. His 3 things ignored #4: Vig killed and there is no SK, and #5 SK killed there is no VIg, and #6 Vig killed nad SK chose not to. But that may have been him setting up his claim for later on.
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Yos tells vanillas not to claim. WHy? IF forced to claim or die, you are requesting them to die. Why? Good catch on his 3-possibilities things, but why wouldn't you follow that up?
Blaze pushing "I'm not a cult, really guys" line, kind of dropping all other pretenses.This divulges into WIFOM as (in the post after he laid out his softclaim of vig) he starts asking if a good claim would 'save' him, even though claiming a role that is recruitable means nothing at this point, unless he is a cultist and is pulling attention away from his recruitor.
vikingfan AGAIN pushing the pro-cult agenda. "We may have the alarmist, don't worrrrrrry about it...."
armlx and blazerunner jabbing at each other....
On to page four!
Blazerunner starts off by suggesting that everyone voting him is town and that he could be really close to a lynch... (Why would only town be voting you if you ARE town, though? that's suggesting that scum aren't oppurtunistic, which is rarely the case on townie lynches, espcially on day one)
Mnowax picks up on his soft claim and votes him for it
Yosarian attacks Mnowax for this... this is interesting, he suggests that DGB may have been attacked by BOTH the vig and the SK although it says in the rules that any and all kill attempts would be noted, and since DGB only was shot once we know that she was only attacked by one playe r(successfully, anyways). HE begins to pry Mnowax about what he knows; if Blazerunner was fake-soft-claiming, this is Yosarian trying to get a claim out of Mnowax, since Mnowax 'took the bait', which means if one is cult, the other probably is, too. The last bit about 'why would we kill the SK?" might be considered an additional defense of Blaze as something OTHER than cult recruitor - which is intriguing. I can't imagine the cult recruitor would defend a lowly recruit (even a recruited vig if that WERE the case) like that, which implies that yosarian might be the recruit.
but now Viking is defending blaze too. AARRGGH! Cults stick together, I guess.
armlx votes Blaze even after Yos's 'would we want to lynch the SK at this point' sugestion, which means he is either voting for what he sees as a vig or what he sees as an SK. Neither of which (I have to agree with Yos here) are good lynches; a claimed SK becomes the cult(S)'s KILL target n1, which prevents them from recruiting, which helps town.
Cultists: Blazerunner, Vikingfan, armlx, Yosarian2
yosarian plays deaf and dumb... more fossing necessary
armlx helps Mnowax's claim of Watcher - but why Watcher and not Tracker? and later then has second thoughts and warns against anyone hammering. WHy would he out what he sees as a claimed power role, though?
vikingfan being scummy again...
CKD just shot up there by asking if Mnowax would be willing to be lynched if Blaze comes up town.... *fosfosfos*
viking being MORE scummy... seriously... he needs to die
Page 5
yos reasserts his SK thing, although he's been hiding out ever since blaze was 'caught', a dramatically different appproach.
blaze follows up on CKD's line of thought and says Mno is digging his own grave...
Note though: if Blaze is the cult recruitor and MNO tracked/watched/etc, then his action failed because DGB was killed the same night as she was recruited, so even if he was tracked to her, (Which is the only possibility as a watcher would provide TWO names and not one), it isn't indicating that he killed her, as MNOWAX is implying, which, if he IS A power role, is remarkably silly to overlook.
Ah. Yos kind of just summed that up in 119.
occult and Spring come out of left field... occult, saying mno may not be the best lynch for the day, completely ignoring EVERYTHING else... fosfosfos
blaze ends page five much like the bush administration. Deny everything and blame the reporters.
Blaze redeems himself partially by 'giving MNO a chance' to explain himself, so long as that explaining doesn't involve claiming investigations. IE he's saying MNO could just be a very confident but misguided townie. But then he votes for him anyways; which defeats the point of saying that in the first place.
OCcult comes back with more suspicion of MNO, avoiding blaze entirely.
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Yos misspelled "Hear" as "here" in 132. I think that might be a scumtell for him. *Fosfosfos*
Blaze is pushing the 'I have a night action but didn't use it on DGB' train, which he has been doing since page three. Sidenote: If Blaze is the SK and was planning on claiming VIG, then MNO might be the cult recruiter who tried to recruit Blaze and failed n0. Alternatively, Occult could be Blaze's recruit(er) and that is why he's lurking hardcore and pushing the mno's scum angle.
137 - When did Malthus replace intot he game? He points out that Blaze erred in saying there was mafia but ignores the underlying point : That blaze is worried that Mno is a scum (ie another scum team) who is trying to bus him.
141 -Curious what YOS meant in this post; who is he implying is the scum recruit, mnowax or blaze?
144- mypenguin;'s first post to the game, and it's kind of scummy. "This person isn't contributing enough" - and htat's it. *fos*
147-occult being distracting...
page 7!
154-yos pushing Blaze as vig, sk, or recruit (not recruiter) again...
155- FOS ckd pushing Blaze to claim vig... and then says he believes his(who, mno's?)
claim....?????
Pushing claiming iwthout scumhunting equals *fos* but he is turning attention to Viking, who is more likely scum than either of those two (for lurking and such)
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160, interesting
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161-interesting
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164-Blaze redeems himself!
*fos: armlx*
occult jumps at the chance to save blaze... yeah. Not good there.
armlx declares neither mno or blaze is recruitor, which is categorically unable to be said.
Cult: Occult, Armlx, vikingfan, yos2
174: nice introductory post by nabnab.. and I will post this now as I have other things do to!
Next: Page 8 onwards!
HOLY CRAP! That post is enormous. I'll wait until you finish your read before commenting and/or starting an argument.