Mini 578 - Mistery at Montescuro - Game Over!

[Singing Librarian]

Near, as far as I'm concerned, almost every time you post, you simply confirm my suspicion that you are scum. Your reasoning for voting for someone is truly dreadful, even if there are perfectly good reasons to suspect them, and you even did the 'surely I'm too scummy to be scum' thing a while back, as I and others pointed out, which is just horribly suspicious.

Welcome, mikeburnfire. Welcome.

[Yosarian2]

Hi Mike.

Near: I don't really think that whole thing was a "slip" per se, but I really don't like any kind of discussion or speculation like that about the cop like that, even in an offhand "I thought Guardian was the cop, then relized he wasn't..." kind of way. If you're town, it's not helpful because at the very least you're implying that you're not the cop with that comment, and if you're scum, it might be that you're trying to get a reaction from Guardian to find out if he's the cop.

[PyroDwarf]

okay, so Near's "slip" is interesting, but I don't know what to make of it. I can see why guardian would question it. Near's response was a bit dragging, but it seems to have been necessary.

I never wanted more phox lynch, I just wanted to leave the implication that I did.

So, you didn't want him lynched, but you wanted to seem like you wanted him lynched? sorry for the short post, ill be back after work.

[Guardian]

So, you didn't want him lynched, but you wanted to seem like you wanted him lynched? sorry for the short post, ill be back after work.

Yes. Newbie scum often cook well under pressure.

[Macavenger]

Hey guys, I just noticed something.

Evilgorillaz is pulling a Near! Check his post history, he's got like 20 posts (I didn't count this time) in other games since his little one liner about how he'd rather lynch phox than Near, and the trend continues back past that.

I'm still heavily in favor of a Near lynch today, both because he's been actively scummy in his recent responses and because his lynch will give us far more information than hitting EG, but this is seriously not cool.

FoS: Evilgorillaz

Is this game just less cool than other ones you guys are in or something? Seriously, I don't get why we're having such a problem with people ignoring this game.


I'd also like to know more about an issue that I think has kinda gotten buried in all the excitement about Near and Dasquian lately. Guardian, what are your thoughts on PyroDwarf currently? How did he go from being a good lynch to not even on your radar a few days ago?

[Guardian]

Where'd I saw he fell off my radar?

There is more than one player who would be a good day 1 lynch in this game.

[Macavenger]

Where'd I saw he fell off my radar?

There is more than one player who would be a good day 1 lynch in this game.

You didn't, but you haven't talked about him at all in days. Out of sight, out of mind and stuff.

You still consider him a good lynch then?

[Guardian]

Yeah, he would certainly not be a bad lynch. Evil wouldn't be bad too, I think I've mentioned this (right?). Near's had a lot of focus though, so that's good for reading tomorrow, and I'm very serious about long days being horrible for town.

[Guardian]

Yeah, Wizard, you want to trade about 3 rules for a seer and cult.

Otherwise your rule advantage will become not that useful, and you won't be able to accrue the cards needed to win.

[Macavenger]

Yeah, he would certainly not be a bad lynch. Evil wouldn't be bad too, I think I've mentioned this (right?). Near's had a lot of focus though, so that's good for reading tomorrow, and I'm very serious about long days being horrible for town.

You've mentioned suspicion of evil, never anything about lynching him.

I disagree with Pyro being a good lynch for today, though I'm willing to push for more information there on future days.

Very much agree about Near being informational as well as scummy.

Also, while I disagree with long days being bad for town to a point, there are definitely diminishing returns, which we're very much into at this point, hence my desire for Near to be lynched soon.

If long days are bad for town, why did you bring up the Dasquian thing and push for his lynch? Discussing that has used up a couple pages, and surely you didn't honestly think everyone would instantly agree with you and quicklynch him. Why not just mention the point as something to look into tomorrow, as I did with EG here?

[Guardian]

First, you never know, I'm usually right, and people have just followed me a few times before. I feel the players in this game are really good and that was unlikely, but hey, why not try.

In addition to that, reactions are what mafia's all about, and now we have a wealth of reactions about Dasquian.

I wasn't nearly sold on Near at that point, and no one was buying into Pyrodwarf. One shouldn't be ready to end the day until you feel a good candidate is being lynched, so I was still searching at that point for one I agreed with and the town could accept.

btw: ROFL @ Dasquian's post 'Sorry Guardian, I am not really a duck. Bad times.' I keep cracking up re-reading that. Remind me to nominate him for funniest scummy post-game.

[Claus]

DarlaBlueEyes replaces JamesThePhox, effective Immediately.

[Claus]

The vote count hasn't change much, but since it has been already 3 pages since the last one, better put up a new one:

Vote Count!

Near 4 - Singing Librarian, Macavenger, Joudas, Dasquian
DarlaBlueEyes 3 - Yosarian2, Near, Coron
Guardian 2 - PyroDwarf, MBF
Dasquian 1 - Guardian

Not voting:

DBE, EvilGorrilaz

With 12 people alive and kicking, it takes 7 votes to lynch!

[DarlaBlueEyes]

Alright, well obviously to protect myself, I am going to

vote:Near

Self preservation first!

/first game here... so feel free to inform me of any mistakes I may make.

[Guardian]

so feel free to inform me of any mistakes I may make

DBE, voting for your scum buddy so quickly was a poor choice. You should probably have tried to get another target with a few votes on them, like me, lynched instead.

Oh, and welcome .

[DarlaBlueEyes]

and what is that makes you so sure that I would be buddies with near?

could I not simply be operating in survival instincts logic?

Trying to eliminate the weakest player?

then again, perhaps you know that you are scum, and by trying to insult my vote know that I would resent it and thus keep my vote that way,

Then again both cups could be poisoned,

no action....

[Macavenger]

and what is that makes you so sure that I would be buddies with near?

He's telling you, in his special Guardian way, that jumping on the biggest bandwagon for no real reason is considered scummy. Also probably one of those mistakes you mentioned.

could I not simply be operating in survival instincts logic?

Trying to eliminate the weakest player?

See, trying to eliminate the weakest player is something scum would be doing. We're trying to eliminate the scummiest players, not the weakest ones.

Generally you don't want to be voting people without good reasons for why you think they might be mafia, unless it's the beginning of the game and you have nothing to go on. The best way to get people to be less suspicious of you and unvote you is generally to try to help us figure out who the scum are. Say who you find suspicious and why, ask lots of questions, ask more questions based on the answers you get. Look for inconsistencies and things that benefit mafia more than town.

Personally, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt for now - I honestly didn't find the person you're replacing overly scummy, and what you've said since hopping in here sounds like new player more than scum to me - but I'd get ready to answer some questions about that, and start trying to figure out who you think is mafia, and why. People are going to want to know.

[Guardian]

Macavenger, I was trying to give DBE some advice, don't confuse her. I really think busing there was a poor tactic.

I still want to call you Mav btw .

[DarlaBlueEyes]

lol,

well, after reading some of the thread my FoS is mainly on Dasquian, but I cant really do more than a random vote having just joined, but at the advise i will simply,

unvote

until I can think this over further

[Macavenger]

Macavenger, I was trying to give DBE some advice, don't confuse her. I really think busing there was a poor tactic.

I disagree, busing would be a great tactic there. It would get Near lynched faster, which is good. The trick is to do it in a way that doesn't tip us off that she's scums too.

I still want to call you Mav btw .

You're the first person who's ever wanted to do that in the, um, gonna say something like 8, 9 years now? that I've been using this name in various places. I will probably never understand that.

[Singing Librarian]

Darla, that was a pretty rash first post in the game, but if you're really new, I'm sure it can be overlooked. Macavenger explains it well. Welcome to the game.

I'm not sure the gorilla merits an FoS, but I can understand that more than the duck-related suspicion.

[Joudas]

What made you think Dasquian was scummy, DBE? The 'same old' that's been rehashed for the last few pages, or something different?

Also, what're your thoughts on Near, Guardian, and Pyrodwarf? Do you find them scummy, do you not find them scummy, and why, in either case?

[Dasquian]

Hi DarlaBlueEyes

WhiteDragon

! I'll second Joudas question - I'm interested to hear why I get your sole FOS. Also, like others have said, your vote on Near for "self-preservation" doesn't inspire confidence.

On the last page, Near asked me to lay out my case against him. I thought I'd already done this, but:

1) Active lurking.
2) Non-committal scum-hunting, going through the motions but not rocking anyone's boat.
3) Over-reliance on classic WIFOM defence - he's done this three distinct times now. Firstly his "joke" FOS, then the fact he got pushed to L-2 twice (on the basis that this wouldn't have happened unless scum were pushing his wagon), and now his reaction to the potential cop investigation.

All of these are individually scummy, and Near's doing them all and giving me scummy vibes while he's doing it. Hence why I currently am looking for a claim.

[Evilgorrilaz]

Also, like others have said, your vote on Near for "self-preservation" doesn't inspire confidence.

Huh?
Seems like someone just wanted to joke post, I don't see anything wrong with it.

[Dasquian]

Joke posts don't usually put people at L-2.