Mafia 78: Meta Breaking Mafia 1 - Game over!

[Guardian]

Vote Count #11

CoolBot[5] (Surye, pickemgenius, Machiavellian-Mafia, shaft.ed, farside22)
Surye[2] (CoolBot, Elias_the_thief)
Ectomancer[2] (Tarhalindur, Adel)
Adel[1] (Albert)
Elias_the_thief[1] (the silent speaker)
Ectomancer[1] (Kison)


Not Voting[3]: (Rosso Carne, camisade, Ectomancer)

[shaft.ed]

Sorry not much love for this game. I've got a deadline in my other, will do some reading tommorow.

[the silent speaker]

Not always, Mach, but yeah, it's not a particularly bold and daring thing to say, unembellished. Unless, Albert, you meant that there are more scum on the wagon than (pro rata) off it? Which is an ineresting idea I'd like to see you elaborate on, especially as there are a number of comments from CoolBot of late that frankly give me the screaming widgies. (No, I'm not voting CoolBot, partly because I have him at L-2; and partly because scum are going to play in whatever way they think will best convince the town that they themselves are town and so are not any likelier than townies to give other players the screaming widgies just for the hell of it. OTOH, scummy behavior is scummy behavior, so I'm not disregarding my screaming widgies altogether just yet. It should also be noted that 'screaming widgies' is fun to type. Screaming widgies.)

[the silent speaker]

EBWOP and I see he's actually at L-3.

[Guardian]

All players, excepting camisade, have picked up the prod I sent.

Like I said earlier, I'm quite busy.

So, if someone remains inactive, I call upon you to please point it out to me.

[camisade]

All players, excepting camisade, have picked up the prod I sent.

Like I said earlier, I'm quite busy.

So, if someone remains inactive, I call upon you to please point it out to me.

I'm here!

(No, I'm not voting CoolBot, partly because I have him at L-2; and partly because scum are going to play in whatever way they think will best convince the town that they themselves are town and so are not any likelier than townies to give other players the screaming widgies just for the hell of it. OTOH, scummy behavior is scummy behavior, so I'm not disregarding my screaming widgies altogether just yet. It should also be noted that 'screaming widgies' is fun to type. Screaming widgies.)

Meh, he was at L-1 before and no one hammered, despite how extremely tempted I was to break dis meta. And i dont understand the second part of your post at all.

[Tarhalindur]

Here. Don't have much to say, really (see V/LA).

[shaft.ed]

Allright, did a light reread and nothing new struck me. Surye was a bit odd leading into his bandwagon. I find it interesting he's cut back considerably on the posting since getting in that hot water. But that seems understandable regardless of alignment.

Also Coolbot obviously stands out as wanting a claim. I've only seen his argument for a claim once before and it was made by scum, so I know I'm biased towards seeing that as a scum tell.

Adel and Ecto have also cut back on the posting considerably since the end of "random" stage has been declared (same could be said of me so pot kettle etc.). I find it strange that either of them would be afraid to stick their necks out because of that.

But it seems obvious the scum are playing their cards close to their chest. I'm not familiar with too many players here, but does anyone have a meta that fits?

[farside22]

As far as I can see Adel is being Adel. I don't know Ecto so that is no tell for me. Albert is being quieter then usual however. It's just an odd thing I've noticed.

[Albert B. Rampage]

No one really stands out to me.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

I'm not familiar with too many players here, but does anyone have a meta that fits?

Personally I ignore player metas, so I don't consider town/scum tells based on if people are behaving the same or differently relative to past games.
To what extent do you consider players' metas to be town/scum tells?

[shaft.ed]

I'm not familiar with too many players here, but does anyone have a meta that fits?

Personally I ignore player metas, so I don't consider town/scum tells based on if people are behaving the same or differently relative to past games.
To what extent do you consider players' metas to be town/scum tells?

I see two useful types of meta's:

1) Out and out tell. This is a behavior that someone always does differently as scum/town that they are unaware of. I've caught these behavoirs on occassion and will use them to weigh end game decisions or who to pressure if I notice them. These can be noticed from simple re-reads of a players history.

2) Playstyle. If I notice someone has a particular playstyle after playing with them as town/scum, if they go against this I will decide to pressure such players. Not nearly as useful as tells, and are more difficult to absorb from a dettached re-read. I only have enough game experience with Adel to really use this approach. But her meta seems to be that she constantly shifts her meta, so I don't know if it will be too useful.

[Surye]

I really lack meta on anyone, so I need to use only the context of this game. Given that, I'm not sure what to think at this point, I will do a re-read tonight when I get home and do a rundown of my current thoughts.

[Adel]

I'm not familiar with too many players here, but does anyone have a meta that fits?

Personally I ignore player metas, so I don't consider town/scum tells based on if people are behaving the same or differently relative to past games.
To what extent do you consider players' metas to be town/scum tells?

I see two useful types of meta's:

1) Out and out tell. This is a behavior that someone always does differently as scum/town that they are unaware of. I've caught these behavoirs on occassion and will use them to weigh end game decisions or who to pressure if I notice them. These can be noticed from simple re-reads of a players history.

2) Playstyle. If I notice someone has a particular playstyle after playing with them as town/scum, if they go against this I will decide to pressure such players. Not nearly as useful as tells, and are more difficult to absorb from a dettached re-read. I only have enough game experience with Adel to really use this approach. But her meta seems to be that she constantly shifts her meta, so I don't know if it will be too useful.

you noticed! *huggle*

[pickemgenius]

ooh meta game talk!

here is the meta on me.

Pickem-Unsure doesn't say alot. Terse in his wording.

I saved you guys needing to meta me.

awesome

[Rosso Carne]

haha meta.,

it looks like meat.

[Ectomancer]

Missed posting this here. Had minor surgery, Im kind of out of things for a bit. I'm still listening.

[shaft.ed]

so that game of mafia we were playing..........

[Tarhalindur]

As far as I can see Adel is being Adel. I don't know Ecto so that is no tell for me. Albert is being quieter then usual however. It's just an odd thing I've noticed.

So, let's see... short posts with relatively little content (sure, farside posted what could be considered analysis, but she's not taking a firm stand on anything)... ayup, that's a scumtell coming from you.

Ecto wagon isn't doing anything, while farside is under the radar. I think some pressure is in order.

Unvote, Vote: farside22

[the silent speaker]

A happy Passover to one and all.

[farside22]

As far as I can see Adel is being Adel. I don't know Ecto so that is no tell for me. Albert is being quieter then usual however. It's just an odd thing I've noticed.

So, let's see... short posts with relatively little content (sure, farside posted what could be considered analysis, but she's not taking a firm stand on anything)... ayup, that's a scumtell coming from you.

Ecto wagon isn't doing anything, while farside is under the radar. I think some pressure is in order.

Unvote, Vote: farside22

Do you see anything exciting in the game going on? I agree with Albert for once there really isn't much worth mentioning.

[Guardian]

With the somewhat low activity here, I'd normally threaten a deadline.

Instead, I'll remind you of the non-retractable deadline coming up in about 10 days. Get going, folks.

[Ectomancer]

As far as I can see Adel is being Adel. I don't know Ecto so that is no tell for me. Albert is being quieter then usual however. It's just an odd thing I've noticed.

So, let's see... short posts with relatively little content (sure, farside posted what could be considered analysis, but she's not taking a firm stand on anything)... ayup, that's a scumtell coming from you.

Ecto wagon isn't doing anything, while farside is under the radar. I think some pressure is in order.

Unvote, Vote: farside22

Do you see anything exciting in the game going on? I agree with Albert for once there really isn't much worth mentioning.

Cant listen anymore. Albert said nobody stands out, not nothing worth mentioning. Your comment sounds more like "lets not even bother talking".

vote farside22

@mod

- Why have you segregated poor Kison's vote? Cant he have his vote in the same place as the others? Why is he a second class voter?

[farside22]

As far as I can see Adel is being Adel. I don't know Ecto so that is no tell for me. Albert is being quieter then usual however. It's just an odd thing I've noticed.

So, let's see... short posts with relatively little content (sure, farside posted what could be considered analysis, but she's not taking a firm stand on anything)... ayup, that's a scumtell coming from you.

Ecto wagon isn't doing anything, while farside is under the radar. I think some pressure is in order.

Unvote, Vote: farside22

Do you see anything exciting in the game going on? I agree with Albert for once there really isn't much worth mentioning.

Cant listen anymore. Albert said nobody stands out, not nothing worth mentioning. Your comment sounds more like "lets not even bother talking".

vote farside22

@mod

- Why have you segregated poor Kison's vote? Cant he have his vote in the same place as the others? Why is he a second class voter?

It's the same thing. Me think one is trying to hard here.

[Kison]

@mod

- Why have you segregated poor Kison's vote? Cant he have his vote in the same place as the others? Why is he a second class voter?

First class. All other voters are second class.

On a more important note, I am in the process of rereading this game. I plan to post back tonight.