Mini 551- Mod Abandoned

[Battle Mage]

@Imat and BM.

It's a compromise decision. I've posted my reasons before, but in summary of why it's good:

If SF really is cop - no lynch will prevent nks, and SF will be free to investigate. We block for 8 consecutive nights until SF has a read on everyone. Then, we lynch him. He will turn out cop so we'll know that his results are accurate. We lynch the people with guiltys.

Hmm thats a good point. If this really is possible, than whoever (Shanba?) said a Cop in this setup was broken, is probably right.

Its time we ended the arguments. Why the hell nobody has done this before now is totally beyond me.

Sensfan-please break your PR.

BM

[Battle Mage]

this is a peculiar vote. It could be reluctant bussing, but if Sensfan is town, it looks more like an attempt to revive a dying wagon.

It looks a bit peculiar, I'll give you that, but it was neither bussing nor trying to lynch town. The wagon I was on grinded to a halt, and I'd rather get the game moving by making a non-optimal lynch than let it slow to a complete halt. Probably not the tactically best decision, granted, but a compromise. You seem to assume I'm scum. I find that odd.

Its a common assumption i make. Guilty until proven innocent is a good philosophy for a town to hold. I'm pointing out that, from any which way you look at it, your vote looks scummy.

In reality ofc, his PR is very easily verified

I'm not following. How would we verify the claim? If you're referring to asking him to break the PR, wouldn't that be to be asking for a modkill if it is real? Or do mean something else?

Fyi, breaking a PR is not always punishable by modkill. In fact, i'd say that is only the case in the rarest of scenarios. I dont have the greatest experience with them, but i'd guess that Sensfan would get at least a 'WARNING' for his first breakage. Modkill for a first offence is pretty harsh dont ya think?

So, he breaks his PR, and we see if he gets formally warned. It worked in Food Fight Mafia, and it could work here. Theres another reason why this is a good plan, which i dont want to say publically atm.

NB: twilight

And if the worst comes to the worst and he gets modkilled, isnt that the same as lynching him which half of you seem to wanna do anyway? He hasnt mentioned a punishment yet, so i am pretty sure this isnt the case, but as a worst case scenario, i can live with it.

BM

[Battle Mage]

You should sig this. CES, what are your thoughts on the way in which several players seem to be hiding behind your coattails?

I like it.

Also not seeing any benefit to a nolynch today.

really? do you find tagging along to be protown? Or is it suiting you to have an entourage?

BM

[Cogito Ergo Scum]

The latter

[Battle Mage]

Actually, lovo, I'm a little surprised by your claim. I mean, you must be telling the truth, no need to lie anymore, so I'm not saying I doubt you, just, you know, surprised.

this is a very strong town tell at this stage of the game.

[Battle Mage]

@ Korst:

Are you a roleblocker too?

erm...I dont think he said that. Good rolefishing though. I'll keep that in mind for tomorrow.

FoS: CES

in light of this twilight exchange.

[Battle Mage]

Sensfan would be right if the mafia have roleblockers. Otherwise, the scum can't block whoever is blocking their nk-er. Can we assume that since we're all mostly roleblockers, the scum are all goons?

this is an interesting point. If the scum arent all roleblockers, will Khelv have informed them about the setup? He cant have told them that the game had all roleblockers, and yet he must have given them some indication, otherwise theyd be screwed in a mass-claim. Of course, if there are mafia roleblocker(s) a game-breaking strategy is pretty impossible, unless the mafioso who makes the kill cannot Roleblock.

Okay, so this should be easy.

Xyl blocks jerubbaal and vice-versa.
Joubert blocks Korts and vice-versa.
Imat blocks Shanba and vice-versa.
ting blocks Cavebear with a Toothache and vice-versa.
I will not submit an action.
We will lynch SF after he reveals his result.

Nice idea kiddo, but the big flaw with this plan is that it will be a ridiculously long time before we learn anything. It is ofc also flawed if the scum do the obvious, and decide to No-Kill to fuck with the results.

BM

[jerubbaal]

Are you deliberately misreading, like, everything BM?

And I'm pretty sure the reason you're FOSing CES is the reason he's confirmed.

[Battle Mage]

Are you deliberately misreading, like, everything BM?

And I'm pretty sure the reason you're FOSing CES is the reason he's confirmed.

who are you again?

Please explain yourself.

[Joubert]

Battle Mage, it seems like the only thing you want to do is to beat the system from the outside... This is boring...

[jerubbaal]

Of the many roleblockers, CES and Korts were the only ones to comment on it in ways which implied they were also roleblockers before lovo's role was shown. Unless scum anticipated/knew the scenario beforehand (which I'll bet money they didn't, because SF claimed cop), this pretty much confirms both CES and Korts.


Aaaand the list you're critiquing was when we were still being smart and going to lynch SF. Thinking would be a plus. You're taking everything out of context. It's clear that you have a goal (get me lynched), and you're just trying to marshal all the support you can to that end.

[Joubert]

In other words, if we lynch Jerubbaaaaaal, we are all stupid dumbasses, but if we lynch SF, we are all honorable geniuses... Is that it, Jerub?

[Cavebear with a toothache]

Even if breaking a PR isn't punishable by modkill, deliberately breaking it should be. Even if it isn't, it'd against the spirit of the rules and the game, IMHO. If I'm wrong and it's a valid and accepted way of playing, then sure, go ahead.

I don't think of CESc as confirmed. It could just as easily be him figuring out that Korts was pretty much outing himself by that point.

[jerubbaal]

CES is less confirmed than Korts, just because he's smarter, but I think it's pretty solid. Look at his reactions after the claim, they don't make much sense unless he's a roleblocker too.

I also fail to see why asking SF to break his "post restriction" stands to help us at all.

[Korts]

I also fail to see why asking SF to break his "post restriction" stands to help us at all.

You'd rather not see SF's PR confirmed, is that it?

[Korts]

Also, CESc is pretty much confirmed, to the same extent as I am.

[Korts]

Okay, I guess if BM's done rereading, it'd be pretty much time to end the day.

[Cavebear with a toothache]

Okay, I guess if BM's done rereading, it'd be pretty much time to end the day.

Sounds good. Here are the suggested pairs, for reference:
If jerubbaal turns up scum:

CESc--Korts
Battle Mage--Shanba
Joubert--Cavebear
Imat--ting

Unpaired: SF

If jerubbaal turns up town:

Korts unpaired
CES - SF
Shanba-Battle Mage
Joubert-Ting
Imat-Cavebear

(Quotes edited to replace Xyl with Battle Mage)

Mod: Can we get an official vote count?

[Battle Mage]

Even if breaking a PR isn't punishable by modkill, deliberately breaking it should be. Even if it isn't, it'd against the spirit of the rules and the game, IMHO. If I'm wrong and it's a valid and accepted way of playing, then sure, go ahead.

I don't think of CESc as confirmed. It could just as easily be him figuring out that Korts was pretty much outing himself by that point.

i dont actually care. Much as the Mod in me sympathises with playing a moral game, the player in me says we should use everything we have to get a victory. I'm not modding now, and if i was, i'd note that ALL PR'S ARE MADE WITH THIS IN MIND.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage, it seems like the only thing you want to do is to beat the system from the outside... This is boring...

eh? i want to confirm a proveable role. Im no more attempting to break the game than you kids were with that poncey circular RB thing.

[Battle Mage]

Of the many roleblockers, CES and Korts were the only ones to comment on it in ways which implied they were also roleblockers before lovo's role was shown. Unless scum anticipated/knew the scenario beforehand (which I'll bet money they didn't, because SF claimed cop), this pretty much confirms both CES and Korts.


Aaaand the list you're critiquing was when we were still being smart and going to lynch SF. Thinking would be a plus. You're taking everything out of context. It's clear that you have a goal (get me lynched), and you're just trying to marshal all the support you can to that end.

lol. Why so paranoid? As far as i can recall, i havent voted for you yet. I'm nowhere near done with today. I'd like some reasoning please. ANYTHING to make me think that you are genuine misled town, as opposed to nervous, paranoid scum.

HoS: Jerubaal

Assuming SF's PR is confirmed to everyone's satisfaction, i reckon this kid is the play.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Okay, I guess if BM's done rereading, it'd be pretty much time to end the day.

Post 789 is very perceptive and possibly telling.

And ftr, i'm nowhere near ready to end the day. Not until SF has stopped lurking and responded to my request.

BM

[Cogito Ergo Scum]

Assuming SF's PR is confirmed to everyone's satisfaction, i reckon this kid is the play.

Bad assumption, BM.

[Battle Mage]

Assuming SF's PR is confirmed to everyone's satisfaction, i reckon this kid is the play.

Bad assumption, BM.

Then the alternative is pretty obvious. -.-

Please show some initiative.

[Cogito Ergo Scum]

Then the alternative is pretty obvious. -.-

The alternative is lynching SF, which I've been vouching for all game. Look at the most recent posts. Most people think Jerub is town and SF is scum, yet they're rather willing to lynch Jerub because of claim-based reasons. All this while SF's claim doesn't make sense at all. It's general stupidity that keeps this town from moving forward, not my lack of initiative.