Mafia 78: Meta Breaking Mafia 1 - Game over!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Coolbot dude, when you vote for Adel I'll switch my vote too.

[Adel]

could someone with an ounce of reason please do a post-by-post comaprison of me and ABR? please? I know I can't win a typing contest against him, and it disturbs me that people like farside are left with the impression that I'm not destroying every case he brings against me. I'm also disturbed that players like Machiavellian-Mafia are concluding that there is no difference between us.

What this town needs is a objective analysis of the evidence and cases produced so far.

The sooner the better, since ABR is sure to bury the evidence I've brought up by posting even more bullying and bombastic posts that only add noise and not information.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're just blind to your own scumminess. Its O.K. Adel, its just a character flaw.

[the silent speaker]

Unvote, vote: CoolBot

. The last few pages have left me with the impression there may be a link between CoolBot and Albert, and I strongly dislike CoolBot's banging the drums for a claim; claiming is of its very nature a last resort, good sir.

Adel seems pro-town though the unvote is worth noting; Albert's "me or her" thing cuts no ice with me and in fact makes him seem mildly scummier.

Hunch: there is a scum among farside and the farside bandwagon, but probably not more than one.

[Elias_the_thief]

wait, farside, what unvote and lack of doing anything are you talking about? Last I checked Adels vote was on ABR, though a post may have gone by when it wasnt...

Anyways, I thought this Adel wagon was just some random thing that ABR pulled our of his ass, I didnt realize it was a retarded ongoing campaign of ruining games without reason. Not only is it worthy of a policy lynch in my opinion, Adels responses basically destroyed anything he was trying to say, as he called momentum stopping scummy, and at the same time was trying to get the game abandoned. Not to mention that the creation of a baseless wagon on Adel totally derails the only activity that we had going at the time. So yeah.

unvote, vote: ABR

[Kison]

Yo!

Name's Kison. I meant to post back sooner, but the site went down in the middle of me writing up my response.

Anywho,

Unvote

Elias : Advocates the Surye wagon and joins it. Notes an ABR<->Surye connection. Later states nothing releveant has happened. Puts off posting content, then later comments on a few players. Votes Adel on page thirteen without giving a reason, "Guys let's lynch Adel."

Alfred B. Spampage : Dislikes Surye wagon. Defends Surye. Attacks/votes Coolbot. Calls for more votes on Coolbot and for a claim. Proceeds to vote Adel for no reason. Hints at being vig, later denies it. Votes Ectomancer. Immediately after, votes Adel. Calls for more votes on Adel.

Camisade : No content till page nine, was on vacation. Thinks nothing relevant has happened by page nine. Later votes ABR without giving a reason on page thirteen.

Coolbot : Votes Surye, simply calling him "twitchy" but not necessarily lynchable. Later demands a roleclaim from him when the wagon is dying down. Continues to demand roleclaim defiantly. Later thinks Rosso is scummy for calling for an Adel wagon without voting(I can see where he's coming from on this one). Still wants a freaking claim from Surye.

Surye : He is fine up until he starts badgering Ectomancer about the improperly attributed OMGUS vote. Continues to claim it was OMGUS even after Adel explained the order of vote placements. Later complains that Ectomancer has too much control of the game(huh?). Vote on Coolbot is fine. Suggesting either Coolbot or MM should be vigged, not so much. Vote on Farside I do not like at all.

FoS : Surye

If I had to pick from these, I'd have to go with

Vote : Coolbot

[Elias_the_thief]

She's doing exactly what she does as scum. Not only this, but she's doing what most players do with me as scum. Knee-jerk reaction, OMGUS, back-peddling, faking emotional flareups, its all black on white.

unvote, vote: Albert B. Rampage

he even did us the courtesy of digging his own grave

You'd think that something like this would warrant a vote lasting more than a few hours. It has the classic "A-HA, I GOT YOU NOW SCUMZZOR!" context to it.

As soon as I say "lynch me tomorrow if I'm wrong", she immediately backs down because her game is one of survival first and foremost.

Anyone with a meta on her could be sensible to the funny vibes she's putting off in this game.

Look, her accusation of me wanting to lynch her for out of game reasons is utter nonsense.

Why should we trust the meta of a player who has led to her repetitive lynch as town, and led to games lost multiple times?

[Elias_the_thief]

Also, i dont understand why asking for a claim is THAT scummy.

[Kison]

CoolBot[7] (pickemgenius, Machiavellian-Mafia, shaft.ed, ABR, Surye, TSS, Kison)

That's what I got for Coolbot, but I checked rather hastily so I could be wrong. He's already claimed "Townie" I believe. Guardian said 8 votes to lynch, so that'd be L-1.

[Surye]

Surye : He is fine up until he starts badgering Ectomancer about the improperly attributed OMGUS vote. Continues to claim it was OMGUS even after Adel explained the order of vote placements.

Later complains that Ectomancer has too much control of the game(huh?)

. Vote on Coolbot is fine.

Suggesting either Coolbot or MM should be vigged, not so much.

Vote on Farside I do not like at all.

FoS : Surye

Hmm.. Underline is mine where I don't know what he is talking about :/

I don't see where I said anything about ecto having too much control. I may have seemed to imply it or something, but I can't find the post or it's relevance.

And I never suggested that MM should be vigged, you read that wrong, I said that if CB were to be vigged maybe a vote on MM (not a vig) would be better. But in hindsight, I guess I don't know when a vig is a good thing to have? But I also wasn't suggesting a CB vig either, ABR suggested it, I just simply reacted to it, and I never actually unvoted him. So you were wrong on both counts there (though rereading the post I can see how the part about MM could be miss read).

Not even really defending anything there, just curious what you meant on some of the points.

[Kison]

And to justify what I was saying, he's "playing" at having control of this game, that we'll lynch who he wants us to. I found this really suspicious as it allows him to say things with the fall-back of joking.

And yeah, I actually caught the mistake I made in my notes about you saying you wanted MM vigged but apparently I forgot to change it. Regardless I didn't really like the vig directing.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why should we trust the meta of a player who has led to her repetitive lynch as town, and led to games lost multiple times?

Because its been an entire year since.

[Guardian]

Vote Count #15

CoolBot[7] (pickemgenius, Machiavellian-Mafia, shaft.ed, Albert, Surye, the silent speaker, Kison)
Albert[4] (camisade, Adel, CoolBot, Elias_the_thief)
farside22[2] (Tarhalindur, Ectomancer)
Adel[1] (farside22)


Not Voting[1]: (Rosso Carne)

[Adel]

Why should we trust the meta of a player who has led to her repetitive lynch as town, and led to games lost multiple times?

Because its been an entire year since.

another lie. one year = six months in ABR world?

how many games have we played in together since the last one? zero.

[Elias_the_thief]

Still wondering why we're lynching coolbot for being slightly claim happy (a pretty small tell imo) and totally ignoring the idiocy of ABR...

[Albert B. Rampage]

Adel and Elias, Sitting in a Tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G!

[the silent speaker]

Because idiocy is not a hangng offense, Elias, whereas pushing people to do what is not in the town's best interests is one. Claiming is not in the town's best interests as long as the claimant has non-claiming options. Most especially so in a meta-breaking game.

[CoolBot]

Why especially in a meta-breaking game? Scum still have to make up their claim. True, it's easier because we can't rule out roles but that doesn't render claims useless. Scum make mistakes when pressured. I will continue to apply pressure where I feel fit.

Remember, it was ABR who stalled the Surye wagon before it was able to do its job, and it's ABR who is promoting a completely baseless wagon on Adel. When the Adel wagon proved tough, he moved back to me to get a lynch. It looks to me he's protecting Surye and trying to push through any other lynch he can. That's why my vote changed, and that's where it'll stay until he makes a believable claim or he's dead.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Really, Coolbot ? Really ? You'd rather die than vote Adel ? How disappointing.

[shaft.ed]

Why especially in a meta-breaking game? Scum still have to make up their claim. True, it's easier because we can't rule out roles but that doesn't render claims useless. Scum make mistakes when pressured. I will continue to apply pressure where I feel fit.

Remember, it was ABR who stalled the Surye wagon before it was able to do its job, and it's ABR who is promoting a completely baseless wagon on Adel. When the Adel wagon proved tough, he moved back to me to get a lynch. It looks to me he's protecting Surye and trying to push through any other lynch he can. That's why my vote changed, and that's where it'll stay until he makes a believable claim or he's dead.

So would you rather ABR or Surye claim at this point?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Its really funny because, if he were town, he would rather be lynched than vote for someone that could potentially be scum. Talk about self-destructive behavior.

[camisade]

Camisade : Later votes ABR without giving a reason on page thirteen.

Someone had to start the ABR wagon okay?

What this town needs is a objective analysis of the evidence and cases produced so far.

I will do this later when I reread the thread and make my first post with actual content. <3

[camisade]

Ok I lied when I said reread I'll basically be reading it for the first time.

[Elias_the_thief]

Because idiocy is not a hangng offense, Elias, whereas pushing people to do what is not in the town's best interests is one. Claiming is not in the town's best interests as long as the claimant has non-claiming options. Most especially so in a meta-breaking game.

Um...so are you telling me that pushing a completely baseless wagon on Adel even when it has completely died down IS in the towns best interests? Are you telling me that suggesting we abandon the game is in the town's best interests? Are you telling me that lying and using shotty logic to push the aforementioned baseless wagon is in the towns best interest? Especially when calling for the Adel lynch derailed what little activity we had and distracted from the wagons at hand? Asking for a claim seems like a VERY small offense when compared to what ABR has exhibited. Not to mention I'd support a policy lynch on ABR for repetitively lynching Adel baselessly in games without regard to alignment or win condition. Coolbot asked

[Elias_the_thief]

for a claim when it wasnt too unreasonable. Seeing a wagon that warranted a claim someone die down for no real reason seems to me like a viable reason to call for that claim, because a wagon dying with no specific reasons suggests that its decline had some help from our informed minority.