Mafia 78: Meta Breaking Mafia 1 - Game over!

[Adel]

I strongly prefer an ABR lynch to Coolbot's.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I strongly prefer an Adel lynch to anyone else's.

Fixed.

Vote Adel

Subject to change due to impending deadline and threat of no-lynch.

[CoolBot]

ABR is our best option at this point. His actions show he's less interested in finding scum and more interested in BS wagons.

Machiavellian, there's nothing defeatist in saying I'm expendable. It's just a fact. All townies are.

[Elias_the_thief]

The most recent exchanges gave me town vibes from both ABR and Elias. On the other hand CoolBot is overwhelmingly on top with his defeatist "I'm expendable" comment.

I disagree.

with the entire post or just one of the statements made?

@Elias:
ABR just seems genuine in his efforts, even though it is somewhat twisted and may very well be wrong. And this is a significant improvement over his play earlier in the day where he had displayed no interest at all.

He seems genuine in his efforts? What kind of BS is that? If a scum is genuine in his efforts to quicklynch a townie, is that a town tell? If the answer is no (which it better be) then why is being genuine in leading a completely baseless wagon on obvioulsy terrible meta when all of your arguments have been soundly defeated without proper response possibly a town tell either?

Guys, ABR is pretty obviously the scummiest as of right now. the case against Adel is nonexistent, essentially. Coolbot asked for a claim which isnt really that scummy. How are there only like 4 people seeing this? (insert retarded ABR response to the rhetorical question here)

[Guardian]

Vote Count #17

CoolBot[6] (pickemgenius, Machiavellian-Mafia, shaft.ed, Surye, the silent speaker, Kison)
Albert[4] (camisade, Adel, CoolBot, Elias_the_thief)
farside22[2] (Tarhalindur, Ectomancer)
Adel[2] (farside22, Albert)


Not Voting[1]: (Rosso Carne)

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[Ectomancer]

The most recent exchanges gave me town vibes from both ABR and Elias. On the other hand CoolBot is overwhelmingly on top with his defeatist "I'm expendable" comment.

I disagree.

with the entire post or just one of the statements made?

The entire thing, though Im more neutral vibes from you. Both ABR and MM should die.

vote ABR

[Ectomancer]

The most recent exchanges gave me town vibes from both ABR and Elias. On the other hand CoolBot is overwhelmingly on top with his defeatist "I'm expendable" comment.

I disagree.

with the entire post or just one of the statements made?

The entire thing, though Im more neutral vibes from you. Both ABR and MM should die.

vote ABR

EBWOP

unvote, vote ABR

[the silent speaker]

Um...so are you telling me that pushing a completely baseless wagon on Adel even when it has completely died down IS in the towns best interests? Are you telling me that suggesting we abandon the game is in the town's best interests? Are you telling me that lying and using shotty logic to push the aforementioned baseless wagon is in the towns best interest? Especially when calling for the Adel lynch derailed what little activity we had and distracted from the wagons at hand? Asking for a claim seems like a VERY small offense when compared to what ABR has exhibited.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe I did say I thought Albert and CoolBot possibly linked. I also believe I said that I thought Adel was town and the way Albert was gong after her was negative points to Albert. In short, I am saying that I believe Albert B. Rampage to be a fair candidate for scum, i.e. exactly the opposite of what you are accusing me of saying.

But CoolBot's line about being more expendable than Adel... I don't see how a person can read that and not think that CoolBot knows that Adel is not scum (else he would not be,

to himself

, more expendable). CoolBot has no pro-town powers, by his own admission, so he can know this through exactly one avenue.

[the silent speaker]

And, I want to add for emphasis:

Coolbot asked for a claim which isnt really that scummy.

Untrue. It is extremely scummy. The word you seek is 'rolefishing'.

[pickemgenius]

not feeling abr lynch. i advise against it.

still digging coolbot atm.

still thinking/searching.

[pickemgenius]

oh. and i'd be fine with a camisade lynch also.

that is all.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Role-blocker here. Unvote kthx.

[shaft.ed]

Role-blocker here. Unvote kthx.

An L-3 claim. Are you losing your nerve Albert?

[pickemgenius]

saying that implies he had nerve to begin with.

also we're under DL soon

[farside22]

Role-blocker here. Unvote kthx.

An L-3 claim. Are you losing your nerve Albert?

When should he claim? Although a RB is more scum in games that I've played then town. With a deadline and people piling votes I think him claiming is reasonable. However RB is a hard thing for me to swallow. I have seen town and scum RB, but most time they are scum.
I also think Coolbot's "claim" comments are not as meaningless as Elias states.
Can someone tell me when deadline is. I honestly don't have time to look it up at this point.

[Adel]

When should he claim?

lynch -1. he knows this.

I bet he breadcrumbed earlier, and is overeager to get his cunning and crafted fake-claim out in the open. He wants to draw the doc protection tonight and get me lynched today. Claiming early helps both of those ambitions.

I think his hubris will be his downfall.

[Surye]

Role-blocker here. Unvote kthx.

An L-3 claim. Are you losing your nerve Albert?

When should he claim? Although a RB is more scum in games that I've played then town. With a deadline and people piling votes I think him claiming is reasonable. However RB is a hard thing for me to swallow. I have seen town and scum RB, but most time they are scum.
I also think Coolbot's "claim" comments are not as meaningless as Elias states.
Can someone tell me when deadline is. I honestly don't have time to look it up at this point.

Deadline: May 1, 10PM EST

Also, remember, this IS a meta breaking game, and what you're used to about roles is supposed to be challenged. That given, a L-3 claim does seem quite premature.

[Adel]

has anyone revisited the coolbot + ABR connection lately? I don't have time to right now, but it occurred to be that ABR may be coaching Coolbot, anf trying to keep Coolbot from getting lynched without attracting too much attention to his connection to Coolbot. Does the evidence support this hunch?

[Guardian]

I've received word that Ectomancer may need replacement. Continue on.

[farside22]

has anyone revisited the coolbot + ABR connection lately? I don't have time to right now, but it occurred to be that ABR may be coaching Coolbot, anf trying to keep Coolbot from getting lynched without attracting too much attention to his connection to Coolbot. Does the evidence support this hunch?

Wasn't Albert just stating that he was for a Coolbot or Adel lynch 2 pages ago. Not that Scum don't out each other, but this early? Meh.

[Elias_the_thief]

It's not that you said that ABR was town SS (silent speaker, SS will be used in future), it was that you gave idiocy as the main reason for him being scummy and listed Coolbot as being scummy for being not in the towns best interests. I simply wanted to point out that ABR was guilty of the same, and more, and therefore a better lynch candidate.

And, I want to add for emphasis:

Coolbot asked for a claim which isnt really that scummy.

Untrue. It is extremely scummy. The word you seek is 'rolefishing'.

I'll have to quote my good friend IH on this one...

Rolefishing is fishing for someones role. It's called fishing because it recquires subtlety. When you grab a shotgun and start firing into the water, thats not fishing.

He wasn't rolefishing, he was asking for a claim at a reasonable time...are you trying to say that all reasonable requests for claims are now fishing?

[pickemgenius]

still kinda wondering how coolbot isnt dead yet.

[Adel]

has anyone revisited the coolbot + ABR connection lately? I don't have time to right now, but it occurred to be that ABR may be coaching Coolbot, anf trying to keep Coolbot from getting lynched without attracting too much attention to his connection to Coolbot. Does the evidence support this hunch?

Wasn't Albert just stating that he was for a Coolbot or Adel lynch 2 pages ago. Not that Scum don't out each other, but this early? Meh.

he says that he is for a coolbot lynch, but he doesn't really do much to push it or encourage it... and he can't seem to decide if he really wants to be on the wagon or not.

[CoolBot]

Role-blocker here.

I'm not sure if I trust this completely, but a blocker can be proven if needed.

unvote: Albert B. Rampage

Now, that leaves me with Surye & Russo. I think Russo's repeated calls for wagons without voting is more scummy than Surye refusing to claim. So,

vote: Russo Carne

Untrue. It is extremely scummy. The word you seek is 'rolefishing'.

Rolefishing is trying to get info about the role

without

making in obvious you're asking for it. It's used by scum to find a target while hopefully keeping the docs in the dark. Directly asking for a claim while a wagon exists is about the worse way possible of doing this. What you are doing is suggesting we shouldn't expect claims off wagons. Do you really mean that?

[Adel]

Good point. In endgame (or before) his claim can indeed be tested.

unvote