Newbie 594: (Game Over!)

[zu_Faul]

He chose to attack you, without bringing any reasonable reason.

After a few people pressured him to post

anything

repeatedly, does it really count as opportunistic?

He could have produced original content, which he didn't.

[Nocmen]

I think there is a lack of original content overall.

Split and Rickeon, can you comment more? Rickeon has commented about one thing, but there are much more things to comment on. Split has been pretty silent overall.

[Atticus]

Before I get prodded... I'll say that I'm here. It's school time, though, so I'll probably make a vote later.

[bird1111]

Vote Count:
BlackWolf (1): Battousai
Battousai (1): split9102
Rickeon (1): Zu_faul

Not voting (6): silence, Rickeon, BlackWolf, gorillaman, Atticus, Nocmen

With 9 alive it is 5 to lynch.

[Battousai]

I'm still sticking with my vote on BlackWolf. His vote with contradictions and his excuse afterwards give off a scum vibe to me and I think he is the best bet right now to lynch scum.

[Nocmen]

Responding to prod.

I find split and BlackWolf's lurking very suspicious.

I'm gonna assume you were joking with that statement...since I've actually been busy the last couple days.

He chose to attack you, without bringing any reasonable reason.

After a few people pressured him to post

anything

repeatedly, does it really count as opportunistic?

There is many things he could at least comment on. Hell, I wouldn't have mind even if he went and completely overanalyzed something small, assuming that it meant that he was giving off his own stuff.

Still want split/rickeon to comment more, I'm going to save my vote unvoted until they get a response, unless I see that pressure vote is needed to get information out.

[Atticus]

Vote: Rickeon

, bandwagon!

It is actually THIS post that made me choose him.

Well, he made an obviously ironic statement, then suddenly changed his story to it being a test. It seems like the original post was a bit too obviously ironic to be accidental, but I don't know. I find it hard to believe someone would seriously post something like that an not immediately notice the contradiction.

I see it as a bit bogus to say that he suddenly changed his post to a test. Granted, BlackWolf's lurky style is not something that makes me comfortable, but it seems that there is little he could do suddenly in this manner. However, more than that, you say in your next post that you didn't proofread your post, and your sentences do kind of wander. What's to say BW didn't do the same. Perhaps he was just to apathetic to go back and say that.

Anyway, this post just seems a bit to accusatory and desperate.

[BlackWolf]

Bandwagoning somebody because they don't have any original content seems odd to me...Since you're forcing him to say

anything

, he most likely just went with the most logical reason, which was already discussed. With 8 other people talking about the exact same things, chances are others have already thought of what he wants to say.

And Bat, your case on me at the moment is:
1) Made contradictory post, while fully aware that it was laughably ironic coming from me
2) Gave reason/excuse for previous post
3) Unvote when people react, which shows a want to appease the town
Am I right?
Cause I just wanted to clarify with you first.

[Battousai]

And Bat, your case on me at the moment is:
1) Made contradictory post, while fully aware that it was laughably ironic coming from me
2) Gave reason/excuse for previous post
3) Unvote when people react, which shows a want to appease the town
Am I right?
Cause I just wanted to clarify with you first.

This is coming from your POV, so I have to gather the what I can from my own.

1)You made a contradictory vote
2) Saw people reacting negatively, gave an excuse
3) Said you got reactions and unvoted. The person who you voted for never reacted, and I don't see what kind of reactions you would have expected to get in the first place from the other players.
3b) I gather you unvoted to appease the town

[Nocmen]

And Bat, your case on me at the moment is:
1) Made contradictory post, while fully aware that it was laughably ironic coming from me
2) Gave reason/excuse for previous post
3) Unvote when people react, which shows a want to appease the town
Am I right?
Cause I just wanted to clarify with you first.

This is coming from your POV, so I have to gather the what I can from my own.

1)You made a contradictory vote
2) Saw people reacting negatively, gave an excuse
3) Said you got reactions and unvoted. The person who you voted for never reacted, and I don't see what kind of reactions you would have expected to get in the first place from the other players.
3b) I gather you unvoted to appease the town

I was waiting for Bat to respond before commenting on this, as I wanted him to actually give unique information and not risk him using my thoughts.

BlackWolf, when did you decide that this was trying to get a reaction? Do you have any proof of a possible hint towards this? Many times breadcrumbs are made towards a pressure/gambit vote, and I would like to see if you have any. Also, why should the rest of us town not vote you for the same reasons that you placed your vote?

[Atticus]

Wouldn't him using your thoughts just be a tad incriminating, though?

[Nocmen]

Yes, it would be incriminating. But I still wanted to hear his own other reasons for attacking BlackWolf. Right now I see BlackWolf as somewhat scummy, but not warranting a vote for now.

[Atticus]

You see him as a bit scummy.

Can't you forfeit a bit scummy for possibly incriminating? The worst case scenario would have been that Bat still posted his own thoughts. Pah.

[BlackWolf]

1)You made a contradictory vote
2) Saw people reacting negatively, gave an excuse

BlackWolf, when did you decide that this was trying to get a reaction? Do you have any proof of a possible hint towards this?

I think the best proof of it being a vote for a reaction is when I placed it. Was there any other vote on zu_Faul? No. Was there any chance of

anybody

else voting for zu_Faul? Nope. So, what else could I have been trying to do with that vote?

3) Said you got reactions and unvoted. The person who you voted for never reacted, and I don't see what kind of reactions you would have expected to get in the first place from the other players.
3b) I gather you unvoted to appease the town

I

was

looking for something in zu_Faul's reply, or baring that, some sort of defensive post from somebody else, which would have shown a connection between the two. As it was, I got replies from three other people, before I unvoted, as you pointed out. I unvoted at that point because I felt it was useless to try and get anything more from that pressure vote, since there was no need for zu_Faul to post a defence.

Also, why should the rest of us town not vote you for the same reasons that you placed your vote?

...if you think there's something to gain from that, go ahead. Nothing's stopping you.

Also, other people, please some thoughts? There's been two/three days of posting from only four people...and I think the required activity is a post every two days at least?

[gorillaman]

Would it be fair to say that if BlackWolf's town he was the easy target for scum to attack those last couple of pages?

[Nocmen]

1)You made a contradictory vote
2) Saw people reacting negatively, gave an excuse

BlackWolf, when did you decide that this was trying to get a reaction? Do you have any proof of a possible hint towards this?

I think the best proof of it being a vote for a reaction is when I placed it. Was there any other vote on zu_Faul? No. Was there any chance of

anybody

else voting for zu_Faul? Nope. So, what else could I have been trying to do with that vote?

So wait...every first vote placed on someone is always to get a reaction out of people? Not every time, there are many times where I am sure that the person wants to vote to lynch the other person. I think votes are a very crude way of doing this, as it will more times than not evoke suspicion.

3) Said you got reactions and unvoted. The person who you voted for never reacted, and I don't see what kind of reactions you would have expected to get in the first place from the other players.
3b) I gather you unvoted to appease the town

I

was

looking for something in zu_Faul's reply, or baring that, some sort of defensive post from somebody else, which would have shown a connection between the two. As it was, I got replies from three other people, before I unvoted, as you pointed out. I unvoted at that point because I felt it was useless to try and get anything more from that pressure vote, since there was no need for zu_Faul to post a defence.

I very much enjoy to hear the person I attack thoughts before I actually decide whether I should keep my vote on them or unvote. As mentioned before, you can get information from whether they actually show their own unique thoughts or try to get them off someone else. I personally try to use a bit of both, as sometimes someone will say something much more elegantly than I could actually word it. But if people say all of my thoughts...I must not have been thinking much.

[BlackWolf]

Not every time, there are many times where I am sure that the person wants to vote to lynch the other person.

True, but when that happens, there's usually a chance of other people voting for you. There was no way for that single vote to lynch zu_Faul, and neither was there a chance of anybody else jumping on and voting him with me, now was there?

I very much enjoy to hear the person I attack thoughts before I actually decide whether I should keep my vote on them or unvote. As mentioned before, you can get information from whether they actually show their own unique thoughts or try to get them off someone else. I personally try to use a bit of both, as sometimes someone will say something much more elegantly than I could actually word it. But if people say all of my thoughts...I must not have been thinking much.

...I actually hadn't thought of that before I unvoted him. I was looking at it differently, as i mentioned in my last post. So that one's my mistake, I guess...

[split9102]

I find split and BlackWolf's lurking very suspicious.

I don't have good computer access. First, i didn't have any computer access. Then, i had a day where i had access. Then for the past 2 days, I had a boy scout campout.

[Battousai]

Would it be fair to say that if BlackWolf's town he was the easy target for scum to attack those last couple of pages?

Actually, split, zu_faul, and/or rickeon would be the easiest to attack for them not posting much lately. The ones who can't defend themselves make easier targets, IMHO.

And if you are directing that quote to my posts and possibly Nocmen's, then perhaps you can give us someone else to "attack." Let's see, there's the lurkers and then there's BW.

[gorillaman]

Defensive again, you see. Although, I just did some of the hated metaing and that could be a bit of a town tell for you - you seem more comfortable as scum.

[Nocmen]

Would it be fair to say that if BlackWolf's town he was the easy target for scum to attack those last couple of pages?

Actually, split, zu_faul, and/or rickeon would be the easiest to attack for them not posting much lately. The ones who can't defend themselves make easier targets, IMHO.

And if you are directing that quote to my posts and possibly Nocmen's, then perhaps you can give us someone else to "attack." Let's see, there's the lurkers and then there's BW.

So you are saying that you want to attack people, and constantly have someone to do that to. What do you mean by "attack", theres a difference between attacking and trying to show someone is scum.

[bird1111]

Will see who needs prodding soon.

[bird1111]

Zu_faul, silence, and Rickeon prodded.

[zu_Faul]

FOS: Nocmen, Battousai

for throwing BS logic at BlackWolf.

Actually, split, zu_faul, and/or rickeon would be the easiest to attack for them not posting much lately. The ones who can't defend themselves make easier targets, IMHO

Not necessarily. I was here for example, but I didn't post yet because I originally waited for Rickeon's reply, iwthout noticing how much time passed since my last post.

[Battousai]

By attack, I was using the words gorillaman used.

Gorilla:

Defensive again, you see. Although, I just did some of the hated metaing and that could be a bit of a town tell for you - you seem more comfortable as scum.

I actually do prefer to be scum. I've been trying out different strategies as town, and this game I'm being more aggressive than I normally am, especially when Im scum.


Zu:

Not necessarily. I was here for example, but I didn't post yet because I originally waited for Rickeon's reply, iwthout noticing how much time passed since my last post.

You should have posted anyways to help keep the game moving at a faster pace.