Mafia 78: Meta Breaking Mafia 1 - Game over!

[Guardian]

Vote Count #18

CoolBot[6] (pickemgenius, Machiavellian-Mafia, shaft.ed, Surye, the silent speaker, Kison)
Albert[3] (camisade, Elias_the_thief, Ectomancer)
Adel[2] (farside22, Albert)
farside22[1] (Tarhalindur)
Rosso Carne[1] (CoolBot)


Not Voting[2]: (Rosso Carne, Adel)

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[Guardian]

Gorrad replaces Ectomancer, who is on V/LA for 2 weeks.

[Surye]

Welcome Gorrad!

[Gorrad]

Thanks! Rereading, etc.

FoS: ABR

since I know from previous experience that he's gonna be REALLY scummy.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

He seems genuine in his efforts? What kind of BS is that? If a scum is genuine in his efforts to quicklynch a townie, is that a town tell? If the answer is no (which it better be) then why is being genuine in leading a completely baseless wagon on obvioulsy terrible meta when all of your arguments have been soundly defeated without proper response possibly a town tell either?

From the outside perspective, yes ABR's arguments have been mostly crap, but from ABR's own perspective, the sincerity of his efforts leads me to believe ABRtown is more likely than ABRscum. And his recent claim IMO reaffirmed this, because while most will think RBer is a scum role, the meta breaking nature of this game makes a town RBer more likely.

[CoolBot]

From the outside perspective, yes ABR's arguments have been mostly crap, but from ABR's own perspective, the sincerity of his efforts leads me to believe ABRtown is more likely than ABRscum.

This doesn't really make sense. ABR's arguments are based entirely on his crusade against Adel. They only make sense if you consider a multi-game crusade to be helpful. It isn't.

because while most will think RBer is a scum role,

No one has said anything about blockers being a scum role.

[Surye]

Although a RB is more scum in games that I've played then town. With a deadline and people piling votes I think him claiming is reasonable. However RB is a hard thing for me to swallow. I have seen town and scum RB, but most time they are scum.

Coolbot, pay attention

[Kison]

I do not find Albert's arguments to be sincere. The problem is I don't think he cares one way or another if he's right or not, regardless of alignment. Could be wrong, but that's my take on him.

I still stand by a Coolbot lynch. Not planning to move my vote at this time.

[CoolBot]

Coolbot, pay attention

Whoops. Well, let me amend that to pointing out only one person has said blocker is a scum role, not most.

[Adel]

Although a RB is more scum in games that I've played then town. With a deadline and people piling votes I think him claiming is reasonable. However RB is a hard thing for me to swallow. I have seen town and scum RB, but most time they are scum.

Coolbot, pay attention

reminds me of something Mr. Flay said in a game about six months ago

Maybe I'm getting old, but "Mafia Roleblocker" is a newer type of role, and not as common as some players here would like you to believe. It's true that Mafia Roleblocker is a much more purely-beneficial role for its side to have than Pro-Town Roleblocker, because the pro-town type has to deal with not blocking cops, docs, etc. Still, it's testable.

link for full text and context

[shaft.ed]

I do not find Albert's arguments to be sincere. The problem is I don't think he cares one way or another if he's right or not, regardless of alignment. Could be wrong, but that's my take on him.

I still stand by a Coolbot lynch. Not planning to move my vote at this time.

I'm pretty much agreeing with Kison here.

[Rosso Carne]

im happy with either wagon still. please get them going.

[Adel]

im happy with either wagon still. please get them going.

your entire "pushing wagons without getting onboard" shtick is getting old.

[pickemgenius]

im happy with either wagon still. please get them going.

your entire "pushing wagons without getting onboard" shtick is getting old.

I smell an ironic post!



and i disagree.

[shaft.ed]

im happy with either wagon still. please get them going.

your entire "pushing wagons without getting onboard" shtick is getting old.

I smell an ironic post!



and i disagree.

Que Pasa?
And could you not make your sig a half a page long?

[farside22]

Although a RB is more scum in games that I've played then town. With a deadline and people piling votes I think him claiming is reasonable. However RB is a hard thing for me to swallow. I have seen town and scum RB, but most time they are scum.

Coolbot, pay attention

reminds me of something Mr. Flay said in a game about six months ago

Maybe I'm getting old, but "Mafia Roleblocker" is a newer type of role, and not as common as some players here would like you to believe. It's true that Mafia Roleblocker is a much more purely-beneficial role for its side to have than Pro-Town Roleblocker, because the pro-town type has to deal with not blocking cops, docs, etc. Still, it's testable.

link for full text and context

Interesting. I've seen both playing at this site so it's not a real tell any more. With a game like this it could be either, but I'm not for a Albert lynch anyways. I am for Coolbot at this point.

unvote:
vote: Coolbot

So far nothing he said has changed my mind. I really don't see how people didn't see most unvoting when Coolbot was asking for a claim. It was ridiculous.

[Adel]

I agree that we can make no assumption as to if a roleblocker in this game is more likely to be mafia or town. It is worth noting, however, that a roleblocker is far more valuable a role for scum than for town.

[Gorrad]

Things I don't like:

Adel for stupid waggoning of Surye

M-M for L-2 with no warning

shaft.ed and ABR for starting the Coolbot wagon on what I see as Coolbot just misreading the number of votes

Coolbot for not letting up on Surye after everyone else realised it was a stupid wagon

Ectomancer for speculating on the setup

Coolbot for

Finally, I find people who avoid claims don't have one. Therefore, he's my default vote until he does.

Camisade, Tar, and TSS for Lurking, PEG to a lesser extent

Coolbot for trying to move the lynch from Adel (probable scum) to Surye and Rosso

ABR for signing up for the game right after Adel, taking their history into account

ABR for Page 17- scum vibes from most of his posts on that page


This is meta-breaking Mafia. I think the RB is town.

Ok, so I don't like Coolbot, Adel, or ABR. However, given claims and relationships, I think ABR's the most likely town. Adel and Coolbot are both almost definitely scum, but the amount of buddying Coobot's done to Adel is VERY suspicious.

I will hammer Coolbot if there are no objections besides those from Coolbot and Adel.

[shaft.ed]

Gorrad's level of confidence makes this feel like a bus.

[Adel]

Gorrad's level of confidence makes this feel like a bus.

I agree with this service.

[Adel]

i'll go ahead and hammer. it does seem like he has been buddying up to me for a while, and if he is getting bussed than at least we still get a dead scum.

vte: Coolbot

[shaft.ed]

Gorrad's level of confidence makes this feel like a bus.

I agree with this service.

Bait and switch?

[Adel]

I support the bussing of scum on day 1. In the end, it is a service.

[Gorrad]

Gorrad's level of confidence makes this feel like a bus.

I'll admit I'm giving this game significantly more attention to most that I swap into, but really what did you expect?

'Oh, look at me, I'm a replacement. I'll just sit here and let you other people do all the work for me.'?

No. I'm going to come in here with a scumlist and suspicions. Those being Adel and Coolbot. I think I've given reasons for both sufficiently.

[Adel]

so am i more scummy or less scummy in your eyes for having hammered coolbot?