Actually, it does make me more pro-town. If you found out, on d2, that scum had safeclaims after someone pushed hard for killing off everyone who wasn't in the fellowship, then that would be really suspicious, since all non-fellowships would be townies if scum had safeclaimed names in the fellowship.Matt_S wrote: Yeah, from the beginning I've said that Khelvaster's actions didn't make much sense. I think it would be justified if I was suspicious of him, especially considering his lackluster performance so far today. You saying that scum don't have safeclaims shouldn't make him any more protown.
I'm warning you now about trying to make a bandwagon against those who said safeclaims were an argument. There is a very low chance all the pro-safeclaimers are scum. They are making a logical mistake, but you can't say they are scum because of speculation. You were nailing destructor and Matt hard on that. Not that they don't deserve nailing, but that's a stupidtell, not a scumtell.massive wrote:Hopping on this bandwagon to use safeclaims as an argument DOES NOT WIN YOU POINTS.
Why do you think I'm voting for you? Do you think I'm trying to get your approval? The fact is, I find your logic about safeclaims to be unsatisfactory. The possibility of safeclaims shouldn't be used as evidence, but that doesn't mean we have to pretend that the mafia doesn't have them when we interpret people's actions.
THIS ENTIRE ARGUMENT IS POINTLESS!
UNDERSTAND?
POINTLESS!
So, here's why it's pointless: Originally, some people thought there was no category of named+unfellowship+town. I made the suggestion and pushed very hard that we should make sure that there was a category of unnamed+unfellowship. Otherwise, we could have broken the game by revealing there were nine named+fellowship+town and three named+unfellowship+scum.
After word gets out that there is, indeed, named+unfellowship+town, the scum get a practically infinite number of safeclaims. I wonder whether you have any idea of how many good characters are in The Lord of the Rings and not in the Felloswhip. Just to start naming,
Erkenbrand
Eomer
Eowyn
Glorfindel
(Tod?) Butterbur
Elrond
Theoden
Gamling
Faramir
Bilbo
Galadriel
Fangorn (Treebeard)
Tom Bombadil
Lady Goldberry
Haldir
15 names, none of which are in the Fellowship, and all of which play respectable roles in The Lord of the Rings (although if you haven't read the book, you might not know a few of these.)
Regardless, mafia have plenty of safeclaims without being assigned safeclaims.