Mini 589: SSBB Smalltown Mafia (Game Over!)

[Flameaxe]

I like my vote.

[Xdaamno]

Votecount

pickemgenius: 3

(goborage, Anatole Kuragin, andersonw)

Anatole Kuragin: 3

(dahill1, curiouskarmadog, MafiaSSK)

Dean Harper: 2

(JamesThePhox, pickemgenius)

MafiaSSK: 1

(Flameaxe)

Flameaxe: 1

(Lawrencelot)

Not Voting: 2

(Gorrad, Dean Harper)

Player List: curiouskarmadog, Flameaxe, pickemgenius, MafiaSSK, Lawrencelot, Anatole Kuragin, Dean Harper, dahill1, goborage, andersonw, JamesThePhox, Gorrad.

Seven (7) to lynch.

[JamesThePhox]

p.s. "going through" assholes and non con lurkers is fucking terrible. YOU LYNCH WHO THE SCUMMIEST ALWAYS.

fuck people(gorrad,AK). lynching non con lurkers and assholes isnt how you win games.... fucking a.

QFT. Why would town ever want to lynch anyone else BUT scum? Personal dislike/hatred for someone's personality/playstyle should be left at the sign-in thread.

Unvote; Vote: AK

[JamesThePhox]

Also.

CKD: I know. And my response to your vote was pretty bullshit too.

are you saying that my vote was bull shit or that

your response to my voe is bull shit?

Pretty sure you used my exact answer to your question... in that question. But for clarification, I meant my response was bullshit.

[curiouskarmadog]

lol, your response was bullshit, or your response was "bullshit"?

[Anatole Kuragin]

p.s. "going through" assholes and non con lurkers is fucking terrible. YOU LYNCH WHO THE SCUMMIEST ALWAYS.

fuck people(gorrad,AK). lynching non con lurkers and assholes isnt how you win games.... fucking a.

QFT. Why would town ever want to lynch anyone else BUT scum? Personal dislike/hatred for someone's personality/playstyle should be left at the sign-in thread.

Unvote; Vote: AK

The logic in this is pretty obviously flawed in this game. Without night kills or lynches or anything else that could give us reliable information, day one is primarily scum trying to bandwagon anyone who points out scummy behavior, or killing lynchers. I just proposed that we get rid of those who had a scummy personality, which is a scum tell.

And saying someone should be lynched because they don't like a playstyle is moronic, since you're basically saying you don't like my playstyle in doing so.

[Flameaxe]

p.s. "going through" assholes and non con lurkers is fucking terrible. YOU LYNCH WHO THE SCUMMIEST ALWAYS.

fuck people(gorrad,AK). lynching non con lurkers and assholes isnt how you win games.... fucking a.

QFT. Why would town ever want to lynch anyone else BUT scum? Personal dislike/hatred for someone's personality/playstyle should be left at the sign-in thread.

Unvote; Vote: AK

The logic in this is pretty obviously flawed in this game. Without night kills or lynches or anything else that could give us reliable information, day one is primarily scum trying to bandwagon anyone who points out scummy behavior, or killing lynchers. I just proposed that we get rid of those who had a scummy personality, which is a scum tell.

And saying someone should be lynched because they don't like a playstyle is moronic, since you're basically saying you don't like my playstyle in doing so.

Quoting someone who is 100% wrong.

For the sake of them being 100% wrong.

Still like his style, 'Fancy Pants?

Double spacing is very fun.

[pickemgenius]

It's not going to help trying to lynch the best/worst roles, what have to go off of right now is how people act following the jokearound stage. I'd suggest going through the assholes first then the non-contributing lurkers.

And saying someone should be lynched because they don't like a playstyle is moronic, since you're basically saying you don't like my playstyle in doing so.

My platstyle is to be an asshole, and make short and quick to the point posts.

So now that you've totally contradicted your previous post, which post do you stand by?

[goborage]

Being an asshole is not a scumtell. Statistically, assholes will get pro-town roles more than scum roles. Therefore being an asshole = pro town. No need to compliment me, I know my logic is flawless.

[dahill1]

Statistically, assholes will get pro-town roles more than scum roles.

although you're right about being an asshole =/= scum tell

[goborage]

Did you even read the rest of my post?

[dahill1]

Did you even read the rest of my post?

couldn't tell if it was a joke post or not

[JamesThePhox]

It's not going to help trying to lynch the best/worst roles, what have to go off of right now is how people act following the jokearound stage. I'd suggest going through the assholes first then the non-contributing lurkers.

You want to lynch scum, yes? I don't see this post use the word "scum" at all. All I see is you wanting to vote off assholes and lurkers, which is a nulltell.

My vote on you is because calling for a lynch on someone based on anything other than scumminess is scummy. You don't think even just the first six pages of a game and lead you to find scum,

Without night kills or lynches or anything else that could give us reliable information, day one is primarily scum trying to bandwagon anyone who points out scummy behavior, or killing lynchers

So a player, who finds a scumtell Day 1 on someone else and encourages others to vote based on their own logistical reasoning, is scum? Awesome.

[Xdaamno]

Limited Access until around Friday/Saturday, but this game is my top priority and votecounts should continue as normal.

[pickemgenius]

Being an asshole is not a scumtell. Statistically, assholes will get pro-town roles more than scum roles. Therefore being an asshole = pro town. No need to compliment me, I know my logic is flawless.

this post is pure genius.

[Dean Harper]

Hmmm, this is a tough situation... AK and PKG seem the most scummy as of this point, but, this is D1 and we have very little to say that they actually are scum. Personally, I believe that only one of them might be scum, since both seem to be defending some of the same arguments. Unless, of course, they are beginning to distance from eachother. I think my vote is going to go to AK, since he made the more scummy post of the two. As such:

vote: AK

[dahill1]

Hmmm, this is a tough situation... AK and PKG seem the most scummy as of this point, but, this is D1 and we have very little to say that they actually are scum. Personally, I believe that only one of them might be scum, since both seem to be defending some of the same arguments. Unless, of course, they are beginning to distance from eachother. I think my vote is going to go to AK, since he made the more scummy post of the two. As such:

vote: AK

what are you talking about? unless i'm mistaken, i'm pretty sure PEG is arguing

against

AK. also, why do you think they are distancing? give some examples on how they are distancing.

[Dean Harper]

I dont really know... Im sorry, im really tired today. I was up till 3 yesterday working on a paper, right after an 8 hour swim meet which was preceded by 4 hours of school... I guess it doesnt pay to skim when you're exhausted. Still, my vote stands.

[Dean Harper]

EBWOP:

I also want to

request replacement

because I am having a hard time keeping up with any of my games because of my schedule. I'm sorry to everyone.

[Lawrencelot]

The bandwagon on AK is either ass-hole-ish, scummy, or fallacious. Maybe all 3. And James seems the most oppurtunistic of them all.

Unvote; Vote: Jamesthephox

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[Xdaamno]

EBWOP:

I also want to

request replacement

because I am having a hard time keeping up with any of my games because of my schedule. I'm sorry to everyone.

The Fonz will replace as soon as I can confirm he's still up for it.

I'm checking up on every player to issue prods.

[Xdaamno]

andersonw

has been prodded. If he dosen't post within 24 hours (excluding the weekend, so the deadline is basically when Tuesday hits), he'll be replaced.

[Xdaamno]

The Fonz

has replaced

Dean Harper

, effective immediately.

[Xdaamno]

Votecount

- Votes on The Fonz have been automatically cleared

Anatole Kuragin: 4

(dahill1, curiouskarmadog, MafiaSSK, JamesThePhox)

pickemgenius: 3

(goborage, Anatole Kuragin, andersonw)

MafiaSSK: 1

(Flameaxe)

JamesThePhox: 1

(Lawrencelot)

Not Voting: 3

(Gorrad, The Fonz, pickemgenius)

Player List: curiouskarmadog, Flameaxe, pickemgenius, MafiaSSK, Lawrencelot, Anatole Kuragin, The Fonz, dahill1, goborage, andersonw, JamesThePhox, Gorrad.

Seven (7) to lynch.

[The Fonz]

OK guys, some game theory for starters.

Firstly, it occurs to me that goborage should declare his target before night falls. This will mean that the hider essentially becomes an investigative role- if gob dies, we know the target is scum. If Gob lives, we know those two players are of the same alignment (since scum could lie about having hidden behind scum, although that risks detection by the tracker).

Gob should not be roleblocked, and dahill1 should target the same player as Gob does. Why? Because this will prevent him from killing using either method if he's mafia. Since the poison ability negates the two protective roles, which can prevent any other kill, we don't want it used just yet.

Mod: does hiding protect from poison?

PEG, myself, and James have no night action.

CKD, SSK, Lawrence, Flameaxe, AK, James and Gorrad should have free rein if they're not lynched.

I would suggest we have everyone who has a night action claim in a random order tomorrow morning. There's an argument against this- scum knowing who the protective roles are minded to target is useful to them- but see the last smalltown, where the doctor role wasn't made to claim, and performed two of the three scumkills.

I'm gonna try to get some content. The random voting stage shouldn't last more than 2-3 pages.

Mario: this role is pretty dangerous in hands of SK or mafia.

It's particularly dangerous in the hands of SK, since a mario SK can kill twice per night. In the hands of scum, though, it can't be used in conjunction with a normal kill, and shows obvious effects. Hence I'm suggesting the it be used tonight in such a way to demonstrate itself, but not kill.

Link: this role is useless for an SK. Mafia could make good use of it.

It's actually a complete liability for mafia. I'd suggest we insist on its use- even though it's actually bad play for a town player to use it in isolation, it's even worse for a scum or SK player to use.

Kirby: pretty good for both Mafia and SK.

Pikachu: very good role for Mafia, as this action would always work, except when they target the SK, but if that happens they found the SK. This role isn't that good for the SK.

Best role of all for town.

Fox: a bit dangerous in the hands of scum.

Not so much- deters nightkills. Sure, it prevents viggings, but it's one-shot, and the possibility of its use can give scum fits. This is the role which most fits the doctor paradox- keeping quiet about whether it's been used or not is clearly optimal if the role is town, but allows a lot of leeway if scum. Thoughts?

Samus: not dangerous in the hands of scum.

Yup, in fact a liability since it has to be used.

DK: useless in the hands of scum.

Unless it gets down to a two-player endgame with DK and a killing role.

IC: very handy for mafia and SK, and not very handy for town, so we might consider lynching him regardless of alignment (if we have no clue for who the scum is).

I need to think about this one.

Pit: useless for SK, a bit dangerous in the hands of mafia.

Makes no difference if SK, apart from being useful to confirm not-mafia killer. Again, a liability in the hands of scum, since one expects it to be used.

Ike: useless but dangerous in hands of SK, pretty dangerous in the hands of mafia.

My own role: effectively requires town to double-lynch if it wants to kill me. Benefits whichever side it's on, tbh.

Snake: pretty dangerous in hands of SK, and Mafia too.

Lucas: pretty dangerous in hands of Mafia, a bit less so in hands of the SK.

One doc protect, one vig, one roleblock. With both vigs, I'd advise holding onto the vigging ability for a while.

Hopes this helps. Correct me if wrong.

It's a good start, certainly.

I have a feeling that there will be many kills each night btw, seeing all those 1-shot vigs.

You mean, two? Just because vig abilities exist, doesn't require their use.

It would be more useful if it didn't only list ONE role that would be bad for mafia, and that role is useless for pretty much everyone.

Unvote, Vote: Lawrencelot

No role-based killing plskthxbai.

Role-based killing is bad, certainly, though it can be a useful tiebreak between equally scummy players. Although there are roles, chiefly, gob's, that I wouldn't lynch today short of a scum claim.

IC: very handy for mafia and SK, and not very handy for town, so we might consider lynching him regardless of alignment (if we have no clue for who the scum is).

I agree that the one-shot unkillable is helpful for Mafia and SK. However, assuming the IC are town, Mafia/SK would just leave a vote-less townie alive and in a standard lylo situation, Mafia/SK would win. 5 people, 2 mafia vs. 3 innocents, one innocent being voteless, mafia would win in that situation.

That's true. A voteless townie can give advice, but can do nothing else, whilst a non-voting scum or sk can still kill.

p.s. "going through" assholes and non con lurkers is fucking terrible. YOU LYNCH WHO THE SCUMMIEST ALWAYS.

fuck people(gorrad,AK). lynching non con lurkers and assholes isnt how you win games.... fucking a.

Would you say it's better, or worse, than lynching people for their roles? Since that's what it's being presented as the alternative to.

He's got the right idea. It just isn't aplicable with Asshat around.

Going through assholes for the sake of being assholes is not the right idea.

Ever.

Well, as far as I can see, being an asshole all the time makes you harder to read, which is antitown if not scum-favouring if it's done consistently.

p.s. "going through" assholes and non con lurkers is fucking terrible. YOU LYNCH WHO THE SCUMMIEST ALWAYS.

fuck people(gorrad,AK). lynching non con lurkers and assholes isnt how you win games.... fucking a.

QFT. Why would town ever want to lynch anyone else BUT scum? Personal dislike/hatred for someone's personality/playstyle should be left at the sign-in thread.

Unvote; Vote: AK

Again, strawman. I personally think lurkerhunting, in particular, can be a very good bridge between random and serious voting. There's a difference between personally disliking a playstyle, and thinking it's antitown, though the two often go together. For instance, I'm currently running a policy where I lynch Albert B. Rampage on sight.

p.s. "going through" assholes and non con lurkers is fucking terrible. YOU LYNCH WHO THE SCUMMIEST ALWAYS.

fuck people(gorrad,AK). lynching non con lurkers and assholes isnt how you win games.... fucking a.

QFT. Why would town ever want to lynch anyone else BUT scum? Personal dislike/hatred for someone's personality/playstyle should be left at the sign-in thread.

Unvote; Vote: AK

The logic in this is pretty obviously flawed in this game. Without night kills or lynches or anything else that could give us reliable information, day one is primarily scum trying to bandwagon anyone who points out scummy behavior, or killing lynchers. I just proposed that we get rid of those who had a scummy personality, which is a scum tell.

Well, people can often find scumtells on day one in retrospect, in terms of who was willing to vote for whom, etc. You should at least try to look for things that are scummy. And I don't see how someone's personality can be 'scummy' in terms of more likely to be done by scum, when someone's personality is pretty much the most constant thing about their play whether scum or town.

Vote: MafiaSSK,

for what looks like a 'sneaking on' vote.