Mafia 78: Meta Breaking Mafia 1 - Game over!

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

First I'm taking a look at the CoolBot wagons, which likely have scum.

CoolBot reaches L-1 in VC#8: {Surye, shaft.ed, Albert, Ectomancer, Adel, pickemgenius, Machiavellian-Mafia}
CoolBot is lynched VC#20 {pickemgenius, Machiavellian-Mafia, shaft.ed, Surye, the silent speaker, Kison, farside22, Adel/Gorrad*}
*Adel actually hammered first but misspelled vote. Gorrad successfully hammered.

Common players among both wagons: {MM, PEG, Surye, Shaft.ed, Ecto/Gorrad}

PEG - Generally non-contributor during D1. Full of one-liners. No reasoning whatsoever. Leaning scum.

FOS: PEG

Surye - Defended himself well against early D1 attacks and justified his suspicions towards CoolBot. Leaning town.

Shaft.ed - One of the most protown players thus far. Had valid reasons for CoolBot vote. Leaning town.

Ecto/Gorrad - Ecto was a little bit better than PEG, but still a general non-contributor. Gorrad seems to be an improvement, but currently there are too few posts from Gorrad to make judgement. Neutral.

[Guardian]

Vote Count #22

shaft.ed[1] (Gorrad)
Kison[1] (Tarhalindur)
Surye[1] (Kison)
pickemgenius[1] (Xtoxm)
Rosso Carne[1] (shaft.ed)


Not Voting[7]: (Surye, the silent speaker, Rosso Carne, pickemgenius, elias_the_thief, farside22, Machiavellian-Mafia)

[Tarhalindur]

I finally had a chance to reread Day 1 with an eye for Adel connections, and I noticed this.

wait, farside, what unvote and lack of doing anything are you talking about? Last I checked Adels vote was on ABR, though a post may have gone by when it wasnt...

Anyways, I thought this Adel wagon was just some random thing that ABR pulled our of his ass, I didnt realize it was a retarded ongoing campaign of ruining games without reason. Not only is it worthy of a policy lynch in my opinion, Adels responses basically destroyed anything he was trying to say, as he called momentum stopping scummy, and at the same time was trying to get the game abandoned. Not to mention that the creation of a baseless wagon on Adel totally derails the only activity that we had going at the time. So yeah.

unvote, vote: ABR

The rationale behind this vote makes it pretty clear to me that this is a case of Chainsaw Defense, which is not only a Tarhalindur Standard Tell (see the Wiki page linked in my sig for explanation) but also the most reliable of the Standard Tells at this time. What's more, it's Chainsaw Defense

for a known scum

, which is even more damning.

I need to PBPA Elias, but I don't really have time for any full PBPA's right now. In the meantime...

Unvote, Vote: Elias_the_Thief

[shaft.ed]

MM, just FYI Adel "mis"-voting is a common play for her. She does it purposefully.

[pickemgenius]

M-M just said peg is playing like peg.

damn.

[Xtoxm]

Let's lynch peg.

[the silent speaker]

Note for later: if Kison and farside are both scum, then Mach is scum with them. I need the time to go over who they two suspect and who suspected them, especially in light of Tar's idea, to decide what, if anything, is the consequence of one of them being scum (and which).

[Gorrad]

TSS, think a second about what you're implying there. I don't like it.

Vote: TSS

[Xtoxm]

How does that comment make him scummy?

[pickemgenius]

I am looking forward to xtoxms analysis.

[Rosso Carne]

MMk. I honeslty don't think that the coolbot wagon is anywhere near the place to look for scum. He did some scummy shit, flat out, and that means people SHOULD lynch him. I'm always an advocate of lynching someone scummy and standing by it.

On the other hand, I don't like the last votes on the wagon. They seem really of the idea of "if I hammah and he turns up town I'll get attacked." If they weren't as reprehensive, great, but those votes took FOREVER to pile on.

[Rosso Carne]

Thuis, I support a gorrad lynch.

[Guardian]

Last week of final exams; I'm not allowing myself to check the site from now until I am done with this semester's work. 1 week. I shouldn't be missed...

You guys can do self-vote counts, or just wait.

[farside22]

Sorry my little one has been keeping me busy. I have a couple of doctors appointment tomorrow so I should have something by Tuesday the latest.

[the silent speaker]

It took me a moment -- Gorrad, did you read my post as implying that one of Kison and farside must be scum? Because it was not my intent to imply this. I didn't mention the both-town possibility simply because it's the other possibilities with the juicy implications.

Rosso:

I honeslty don't think that the coolbot wagon is anywhere near the place to look for scum. He did some scummy shit, flat out, and that means people SHOULD lynch him.

This is bad logic, and I say that as someone who stands by his CoolBot vote.

[Gorrad]

Unvote

[Elias_the_thief]

I finally had a chance to reread Day 1 with an eye for Adel connections, and I noticed this.

wait, farside, what unvote and lack of doing anything are you talking about? Last I checked Adels vote was on ABR, though a post may have gone by when it wasnt...

Anyways, I thought this Adel wagon was just some random thing that ABR pulled our of his ass, I didnt realize it was a retarded ongoing campaign of ruining games without reason. Not only is it worthy of a policy lynch in my opinion, Adels responses basically destroyed anything he was trying to say, as he called momentum stopping scummy, and at the same time was trying to get the game abandoned. Not to mention that the creation of a baseless wagon on Adel totally derails the only activity that we had going at the time. So yeah.

unvote, vote: ABR

The rationale behind this vote makes it pretty clear to me that this is a case of Chainsaw Defense, which is not only a Tarhalindur Standard Tell (see the Wiki page linked in my sig for explanation) but also the most reliable of the Standard Tells at this time. What's more, it's Chainsaw Defense

for a known scum

, which is even more damning.

I need to PBPA Elias, but I don't really have time for any full PBPA's right now. In the meantime...

Unvote, Vote: Elias_the_Thief

You know, there's a reason no one has heard of your "standard tells". Its because theyre unreliable. Show me evidence that town doesnt do this just as much if they feel the attacked is undeserving of the attack.

[Xtoxm]

I find that insulting people tends to come from scum.

I think I could go with a Elias lynch.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

MMk. I honeslty don't think that the coolbot wagon is anywhere near the place to look for scum. He did some scummy shit, flat out, and that means people SHOULD lynch him. I'm always an advocate of lynching someone scummy and standing by it.

I think scum would be more likely to be on a scummy player since it's an easy wagon to hop on. I can't see how a town player's lynch wagon consists of all town.

[shaft.ed]

I find that insulting people tends to come from scum.

I think I could go with a Elias lynch.

Elias is generally abrasive

[Surye]

I find that insulting people tends to come from scum.

I think I could go with a Elias lynch.

Or frustrated. Though Elias really has no real reason to be that frustrated.

[Xtoxm]

MMk. I honeslty don't think that the coolbot wagon is anywhere near the place to look for scum. He did some scummy shit, flat out, and that means people SHOULD lynch him. I'm always an advocate of lynching someone scummy and standing by it.

I think scum would be more likely to be on a scummy player since it's an easy wagon to hop on. I can't see how a town player's lynch wagon consists of all town.

I've seen it before. Not one quite that big, though, I don't think.

[Xtoxm]

I find that insulting people tends to come from scum.

I think I could go with a Elias lynch.

Or frustrated. Though Elias really has no real reason to be that frustrated.

Well...That is my opinon on it.

[pickemgenius]

I find that insulting people tends to come from scum.

I think I could go with a Elias lynch.

ZOMG SOMEONE WAS A MEANIE HE MUST BE SCUM....!!!!

[Guardian]

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