Newbie 594: (Game Over!)

[gorillaman]

Oh, the fact that both replacements fresh from reading through the game feel the need to FoS Battousai is significant. I don't see what they're seeing yet, but I think that's cause enough for any of us who haven't reread lately to go do that.

[bird1111]

Vote Count:
gorillaman (2): Zu_faul, weilawei
Mr. Blonde (1): Battousai
BlackWolf (1): gorillaman

Not voting (6): silence, Mr. Blonde, BlackWolf, Atticus, Nocmen

With 9 alive it is 5 to lynch.

[weilawei]

No. That's why we're talking about tu quoque, which is a fallacy, ...

You obviously need to read up on it. It's only a logical fallacy when misused. I gave both improper and proper usage in my post.

[weilawei]

EBWOP

To make this clearer, this is tu quoque. It is an ad hominem attack (the most common kind in mafia), but only a logical fallacy sometimes.

[gorillaman]

It is a fallacy in this case. Examine the legitimate uses section in your link and you will see they do not apply to mafia.

[weilawei]

For one thing, I don't concede that I am guilty of not scum-hunting. Demonstrate it, as I have for BlackWolf.

Okay, here we go. I won't muddy up the waters with quoted posts galore, but here's a quick summary (by ScumBait). For someone who's scumhunting so much, you're awful slow with your finger and vote.

Player Summary for gorillaman

2.5% of total activity (1/40)

Votes

• (0) Cast vote 1 for blackwolf

Unvotes

• gorillaman has not unvoted

Fingers

• gorillaman has not pointed any fingers

Player Summary for BlackWolf

5.0% of total activity (2/40)

Votes

• (0) Cast vote 1 for zu_faul

Unvotes

• (0) Removed vote for zu_faul leaving 0

Fingers

• BlackWolf has not pointed any fingers

Oh and

this

is why I FoS'd Battousai.

Player Summary for Battousai

20.0% of total activity (8/40)

[gorillaman]

Ha! What an utterly preposterous post.

FoS

weilawei, for sheer idiocy if nothing else. How does that affect my score?

[Battousai]

Wait, so you FOS for scumhunting more than the others on that list? I'm confused.

[weilawei]

Ha! What an utterly preposterous post.

FoS

weilawei, for sheer idiocy if nothing else. How does that affect my score?

Well now you've done about as much scumhunting as blackwolf. =P I'm glad you're catching up. And I FoS'ed even before I had the code written to generate those lists. I -did- read the thread.

[weilawei]

EBWOP

Now, if I wanted to do sensible meta-scumhunting, I could go compare you to previous games on day one where you played scum and townie and see how you match up against yourself. But it seems like that's disapproved of.

Battousai is probably trickier than that anyways.

[Battousai]

I'm still confused to why you said you FOS me for having a 20% player summary.

[weilawei]

I'm still confused to why you said you FOS me for having a 20% player summary.

You've been voting left and right. You won't create pressure like that. The list and the activity percentage were after-the-fact confirmation to agree with what I saw during my initial read-through. They've mostly been trendy votes. Also, you FoS'ed the people I felt were doing -real- scumhunting.

[Nocmen]

Battousai has made 3 votes total in this game, and 3 FoSes. And look at how many FoSes others have given in this game...its more than Battousai. If anything, I commend FoSes over votes, but only to a point. The way Battousai is using the FoSes are fine, but a few more and it looks like a person is trying to set up bait to try and get anyone else in trouble for it.

Speaking of that...

Unvote, Vote: Zu_Faul

[Battousai]

Ok, that makes more sense than just 20% :p

[gorillaman]

but a few more and it looks like a person is trying to set up bait to try and get anyone else in trouble for it.

Speaking of that...

Unvote, Vote: Zu_Faul

Which of his FoSes/votes don't you like and why? I'm not happy with the lack of specifics here.

[Nocmen]

A number of things. One of which it seems to me like he jumps around and pops up only when it is convenient for him to do so, and when something about him is mentioned. A lot of his posts have been trying to get other people to say things, which is fine for a newbie game, but when its been said so many times by all of us, I think he may be trying to get someone to slip up. He's accused/voted people for the reasons of not scumhunting and "trying to tell our partner something". But what has he done? The most scum hunting I have seen from him was his vote on gorillaman.

[Atticus]

Okay, I totally need to read the last three pages, because I don't understand half of what's being said on this page. Will be back when I'm not so tired.

[Battousai]

Forgot to

UNVOTE

,

VOTE: Blackwolf

For past reasonings, plus OMGUSing gorrillaman for FOSing after he reread the day. As soon as gorrillaman FOS'd him, he responded to the points (which is good), but then decided to attack him out of nowhere.

It matters because then you wouldn't be actively hunting scum, only doing it when somebody points it out to you. And that, is scummy.

So instead that person should not scumhunt until a few pages have past?

Well Bat, since you always come back to the same point when accusing me, explain this to me...what else could I have been trying to do when I voted for zu_Faul? There is nothing else that I could have logically tried to achieve...

Scum mistake

IGMEOY: weilawei

for attacking blackwolf's accuser repeatedly, then getting the attention away from Blackwolf.

[zu_Faul]

I'm gonna post tomorrow or the day after. I feel quite sick at the moment.

[BlackWolf]

weilawei, your system seems kind of strange if you include unvotes in there. What purpose would an unvote have in scumhunting?

For past reasonings, plus OMGUSing gorrillaman for FOSing after he reread the day. As soon as gorrillaman FOS'd him, he responded to the points (which is good), but then decided to attack him out of nowhere.

I thought I've already explained past reasonings, in a couple posts, namely #138 and #141, which you've never actually responded to. Immediately after my defense, you stopped pursuing me and switched to Rickeon.

And I did not decide to attack him out of nowhere, I thought that zu_Faul had made a good point, and was waiting to see his reaction to it.

So instead that person should not scumhunt until a few pages have past?

No, that person should be hunting for scum as long as he's in the game.

[Nocmen]

weilawei, your system seems kind of strange if you include unvotes in there. What purpose would an unvote have in scumhunting?

I don't think his system is all based on trying to find people who are scum hunting. If a person goes and jumps on and off a wagon quickly, that could be a scumtell.

[Battousai]

I responded to your question, a little late as I missed it but its in post 242 at the end.

[BlackWolf]

Guess I was a bit mistaken, I just assumed since he mentioned gorillaman scumhunting in the same post, in the sentance prior, actually.

I don't think there's any way for me to argue you out of it, is there? No matter what I was doing, you'll just accuse me of making up that excuse afterwards. Anytime I explain it isn't an excuse that I just made up, you say I'm just scum making a mistake.

[Mr. Blonde]

Oh man... there's so much things going on. I also need to read through the last 2-3 pages couple of times, and check individually what you guys are up to... I shall be commenting tomorrow.

[Battousai]

Depends on how good the excuse is or isn't. Your excuse was not a good one.