Okay, I didn't include my posts that these are replies to because otherwise this would be too long.
ogml wrote:I've bolded the most important part of this quote but I think the whole thing is pretty scummy. We know that zeek and soup were both town, and his case on soup seems to have boiled down to a "bad vibe" which is scum language for "any old reason to go after a townie." The case on petunho looks like more gut BS with some OMGUS reactionism thrown in. Add to that the language about lowell that screams SCUMPARTNER! and I think I might be onto something.
First off, a lot of people had suspicions of zeek and soup, not just quickben. Even you were suspicious of soup. Quickben's case on soup doesn't boil down to just a bad vibe either. He's cited his reasons, I interpreted his statement as meaning soup's posts strike him as scummy. The thing with lowell just means that QB had no read on him. He's not the only one either. Half the players alive never outright called him either town or scum iirc. You're just so convinced I'm scum that you're interpreting every little thing in the scummiest light. You could take a post from anyone and find quotes that be interpreted in a scummy light.
ogml wrote:Again I've highlighted an important piece. This is an excerpt from Ting's first big post upon replacing, after he finished a grueling reread. He keeps up QuickBen's lovely pairing of Zeek and Soupfly, takes some potshots at skruffs michel and petunho, and says that TSPN and I haven't done much scumhunting. Yet in all of that all he seems to have decided about Lowell is that he's trying to keep his head down. Really? I guess you just, I don't know, missed the case against him being made by both TSPN and myself throughout day two, since you seem to think neither of us were really doing much scumhunting. And didn't have any opinion on what he did say. At all. Or the much simpler and more likely explanation, you're his scumbuddy. Ockham's Razor wins this round.
You're not using Ockham's Razor at all. I made my view on him pretty clear: I had no clear read on lowell, simple. And yes, I did think lowell was keeping his head down. The case on lowell was that he was generally lurking. That's pretty much keeping his head down.
ogml wrote:More than a month later, this is the next time lowell/shaka even comes up in one of your posts.
Is your problem the fact that I don't mention him much or the content of the post? Either way, what point are you trying to raise?
ogml wrote:This was said to Zeek. Let me translate into scumtalk: "You're not gonna convince me to lynch my partner instead of you, but go ahead and keep trying!"
This is confirmation bias again. If you read all the posts during that time, it's pretty clear my mind was torn on zeek. I would have been willing to move my vote to Shaka if Zeek had given me a reason. Stop thinking for a moment that I'm scum and read the posts from that time frame again. It's pretty clear that there was nothing at all scummy about it.
ogml wrote:Translating into scumtalk once again: "Oh my gods they might actually lynch my scumpartner! Better invoke the age old scum tool for forcing mislynches, the deadline! And while I'm at it this is clearly the time to start laying the seeds of doubt about the zeek mislynch so later I have a chance to go say I told you so!"
READ PAGE 31 and 32. That was a request for a deadline extension. The rest of the post is me being open minded.
ogml wrote:Here ting clearly states that he'd be open to bussing his scumbuddy, but only if somebody else does the work and makes a case about him.
Until then he'll just keep saying he's town for no real reason and hoping the case doesn't materialize.
No.
ting wrote:Shaka - I think he's town.
One reason is that I just don't view lurking as scummy. Another is that I agree with a lot his posts on Zeek. That's not much reason to conclude that he's town though. It's not so much that I think he's town, but that I have no reason to think he's scum.
If you can tell me why you think he's scum, I might change my mind, but for now I think he's town.
I had no reason to think he was scum. Everyone's case on lowell was mainly lurking, and I don't buy that. I clearly admitted that I didn't have much reason to think he was town, but I had no reason to think he was scum either. Call it middle of the road leaning town if you want. You're either not reading my posts or just twisting it to fit your theory.
ogml wrote:I gather you disagreed because Zeek actually had QuickBen pegged and you were the scum on that early day two wagon?
If you actually read my post:
ting wrote:I disagree. Zeek's play just looks so scummy, there was bound to be votes on him come day 2. Do you really think he'd have come off pure white after all that happened day 1?
You never answered that iirc. I still stand by it. The way zeek played, he was bound to get voted. Your accusation here is a stretch and isn't even backed by anything.
ogml wrote:More requests for somebody else to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that shaka is scum before he's even willing to consider the possibility himself.
Yes, I wanted proof, is there anything wrong with that? Yes, I get it, you caught a scum, and I was too blind to see it, good for you. No, I honestly didn't think he was scum. I considered the possibility, but I wasn't buying the case on him. That makes me misguided, not scum. Zeek and soup thought the other was scum, but we now know they're both town. Are you going to call them both scum too for being wrong?
ogml wrote:This quote in scumtalk, brought to you by OGML: "Wait, wait guys, hold on a second. I need to think of some way to save my scum partner. No, I can't, but I can't bring myself to vote him either."
No. It was plain old, 'I can't see him as scum because of action X.' I'm still surprised he was scum. I also still don't understand why he went for geraintm.
ogml wrote:You probably should have stopped defending shaka with the town steamrolling towards his lynch like that.
This would have been good advice if I was his scumpartner. Too bad I'm not.
