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[Sephiroth]

I don't feel good about this development.

[Performer]

@seph me neither, but I don't think me keeping quiet is any better

[RCEnigma]

So I was thinking if we buy APs claim, how viable is it to also track APs rb target? If you're both town AND you survive the night, that has the possibility of confirming scum or forcing a nonaction.

[RCEnigma]

I'd assume you're limited to 3 of your actions a night?

[Performer]

@RCE I have limits to my role, and they're very severe limits

Also if anyone asks if I die after using all 6 of my abilities....I'm not going to answer that lol.

[Performer]

Something else:
I consulted the mod and he said something that made me think there is more than 1 faction. From what I recall of my exchange with the moderator, when I inquired him about bodyguard processes:
I asked him if strongman targeted FL while I bg FL, only FL dies.
If strongman AND someone else targeted FL while I bg FL, we BOTH die.
If someone or more than someone target me, only I die .

Along with rule 15 about roleblocking & the mention of strongman in dva's flip, I don't think it's a coincidence those 2 words were mentioned. Not sure if there's really a 2nd faction and/or sk out there and/or strongman out there, with what I spoke about with mod. If anyone wants, they can ask the mod itt to confirm what I said.
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Summary of n1 actions:

Perf jk FL - FL survived
track max - no movement
voyeured nos - no movement
motion detected ap - motion detected
rb -
bg -

AP disloyal rb - maxous

[Sephiroth]

Something else:
From what I recall of my exchange with the moderator

From what you recall? This would be in an easily accessible PM so....

[AP]

I'd use the Rb and not the BG tonight if I was you. That was IF you die we know it wasn't a shot on the IC. But that's as far as I thought it out.

We don't need to explicitly out our RB targets though. That would be too much info given to the Scum team, and assuming there are 3 of them left and EVEN if we both are blocking 2 of them we're just telling them the 3rd is the one to do the kill tonight.

Maybe we should have like .. separate pools? Like use your best judgment and block someone from the top half of the list and I will target someone from the bottom half of the list? I think that leaves it pretty much open for anyone to be blocked and then scum will have to try to outguess us both.

[Performer]

pedit: was supposed to be did not see anything, not no movement for max & nos

[AP]

So I was thinking if we buy APs claim, how viable is it to also track APs rb target? If you're both town AND you survive the night, that has the possibility of confirming scum or forcing a nonaction.

Confirming TOWN you mean? Because Scum will be RB'd. It is the TOWN with an action that will still be able to perform their action, so a Tracker seeing them act = they are confirmed Town.

[Performer]

Something else:
From what I recall of my exchange with the moderator

From what you recall? This would be in an easily accessible PM so....

Just checked it, and it's exactly as I recalled . He just worded it weird , is why I was a little unsure.

[RCEnigma]

Along with rule 15 about roleblocking & the mention of strongman in dva's flip, I don't think it's a coincidence those 2 words were mentioned. Not sure if there's really a 2nd faction and/or sk out there and/or strongman out there, with what I spoke about with mod. If anyone wants, they can ask the mod itt to confirm what I said.

There is the possibility of vig or pgo, which could be how it relates. I think a town killing role or strongman would be more likely than another faction.

[RCEnigma]

So I was thinking if we buy APs claim, how viable is it to also track APs rb target? If you're both town AND you survive the night, that has the possibility of confirming scum or forcing a nonaction.

Confirming TOWN you mean? Because Scum will be RB'd. It is the TOWN with an action that will still be able to perform their action, so a Tracker seeing them act = they are confirmed Town.

Right, backwards.

[RCEnigma]

If you hit the scum carrying out the kill it confirms scum however. Only if performer doesn't block in the same night.

[AP]

Well, I proposed a working plan, and I'm waiting to see if he can go with that. I am also open to suggestions from others.

[Saudade]

did flavor vote someone yet

[Nero Cain]

Jesus @ performers role.

If there's second scum team it means that they either no shot or both teams shot DVA so I'm going to assume single ball until we get a 2nd nightkill. I'll tentatively buy AP's claim. On one it seems like it would make a decent fake claim but OTOH mods throwing in WIFOM/WTF types roles are a thing and town seems pretty loaded.

[Maxous]

To clarify: AP is claiming to have roleblocked literally the one slot he knows for a fact didn't go anywhere - due to Performer's track result.
Quite a coincidence.

[Nero Cain]

Who'd he claim to RB?

[Performer]

Well, I proposed a working plan, and I'm waiting to see if he can go with that. I am also open to suggestions from others.

I'd use the Rb and not the BG tonight if I was you. That was IF you die we know it wasn't a shot on the IC. But that's as far as I thought it out.

We don't need to explicitly out our RB targets though. That would be too much info given to the Scum team, and assuming there are 3 of them left and EVEN if we both are blocking 2 of them we're just telling them the 3rd is the one to do the kill tonight.

Maybe we should have like .. separate pools? Like use your best judgment and block someone from the top half of the list and I will target someone from the bottom half of the list? I think that leaves it pretty much open for anyone to be blocked and then scum will have to try to outguess us both.

Hm. My first thought is that I like this idea. I could do someone from #s1-9 in the op, and you do someone from #s 10-19.
But why not bg FL too? Him living into d3 is more important than you or me.

[Nero Cain]

I have a doctors appointment today but when I get home I'm going to ISO the following


xx2008
Carcalilly
Garmr
Sephiroth
Nosferatu
Gamma Emerald
DS Shattiel
Completly Trustworthy
profii
RCEnigma
ofrhz

As of right now thats where I think scum is.

[Maxous]

Who'd he claim to RB?

Me.
AFTER Performer gave his track results on me.

You can judge AP's reasoning for yourself

[AP]

To clarify: AP is claiming to have roleblocked literally the one slot he knows for a fact didn't go anywhere - due to Performer's track result.
Quite a coincidence.

Yes, and it's quite a coincidence you came into D2 tunneling me in particular. It's also quite a coincidence I provided a quote from my D1 posts where I decided I would target you in specific and crumbed it while I was addressing the IC. It's quite a coincidence you're not only ignoring the facts, the leads and what not, but you're practically ignoring anything going on in the game apart from popping up with "AP is suspicious", "AP looks bad", "AP\s farts smell bad" kind of declarations.

FTR, your attitude makes me still uncomfortable with your slot. It could very well be that I blocked your action and that's why Perfromer didn't see anything because the RB blocks the action from the origin. (Not 100% sure, but I think that a Tracker will see nothing if their target was "blocked")

If I want to entertain the 2nd scum team (or a Serial Killer) theory, there's nothing that says you were not the source of the 2nd kill, only yours didn't go through.

In fact, if I chose to go down that path I have a vivid enough imagination to entertain the idea you thought you hit a BP target in ME (since you didn't know you were blocked until I outed it).

Now, tell me why I should be 100% certain none of the above is the case? Like, instead of shading me on every other page and trying to test my patience (because you played me before and you probably know I don't like sub-par arguments), why don't you -say- confirm or deny you submitted an action last night? Why don't you try to actually scum hunt for real? If you're that convinced I'm scum, provide a case that is at least worth responding to. Try to find my proposed partners.

It sounded hilariously funny you used my vote on Flubber against me, when (a) I joined his wagon early enough, and (b) You didn't even vote him.

Let me be very clear and honest here: many slots in this game are (or have been) suspecting me one way or another at one point or another. I am well used to being pushed by Town and scum alike. Town don't trust me because of my reputation as scum, and scum fear me (for some odd reason I might add).

Now the way I differentiate between a Town push and a scum push on me is how they approach me, how the read develops and how they reevaluate them periodically. So, unless you really are a killer who tried to shoot me in particular, and when the day started and you saw I didn't die thought I was BP, then I advise you to try and reread everything.

P.S. Not necessarily a 2nd scum team. I've just realized it made more sense if you were of the original (only) scum team and you thought you hit the SK, while DVa was actually the SK's kill.

I am not yet ready to take that leap though, and would still assume we're up against a single scum team with no SK until I do see evidence there's more than one source of kills.

[AP]

But why not bg FL too? Him living into d3 is more important than you or me.

Sometimes the choice of the NK helps you read the scum team. Their intentions.. their powers.. etc. If you BG FL and you die we won't know if they wanted you dead or they wanted to shoot FL and you got caught in the cross fire, so to speak.

Let's note we may still have other TPRs who haven't claimed. Keeping the BG alive means they do have means to bypass the protection, or they do not anticipate there to be any more TPRs. Going for the BG over the IC means they are of weak powers mostly but are probably globally TR'd 9or at least not in the immediate danger of getting lynched).

I should not be explaining all this in public, but if I didn't answer you and many others would have probably been skeptical and didn't take my view into account anyway.

I play the game differently. I play it more like a chess game. I set traps, I try to foresee the next move of my opponent, and the more I have an idea of what scum have in store the better I may be able to stop them.

[AP]

And.. DAMN! I've TOTALLY become A50 in this game. I wanted to TROLL.