Mini 589: SSBB Smalltown Mafia (Game Over!)

[curiouskarmadog]

I think the talk about what people are going to do tonight should end NOW.

[dahill1]

I think the talk about what people are going to do tonight should end NOW.

but wasn't everyone going to decide who we (me and Gob) target? how else will we target the same person?

[curiouskarmadog]

we have already had too much conversation about night actions, target who you think you should target (or if you should target)...tomorrow explain why when we random (dice) claim

[dahill1]

we have already had too much conversation about night actions, target who you think you should target (or if you should target)...tomorrow explain why when we random (dice) claim

yeah but dont i have to target the same person as Gob? how else will we know

[Anatole Kuragin]

Two people targeting someone also eliminates the chance of being doctored.

[The Fonz]

I think the talk about what people are going to do tonight should end NOW.

but wasn't everyone going to decide who we (me and Gob) target? how else will we target the same person?

We weren't going to talk about it. We were going to randomise it amongst the non-useful roles. I'd do it immediately, but JTP is on the list of possible investigations, and we may yet lynch him.

@CKD: I've made the case for why I think we should direct Gob, dahill, and AK, and I'm sticking by it. THey definitely should not 'just target whoever they think is best' because that gives them far more leeway to get away with lying.

[Lawrencelot]

I think the talk about what people are going to do tonight should end NOW.

but wasn't everyone going to decide who we (me and Gob) target? how else will we target the same person?

We weren't going to talk about it. We were going to randomise it amongst the non-useful roles. I'd do it immediately, but JTP is on the list of possible investigations, and we may yet lynch him.

@CKD: I've made the case for why I think we should direct Gob, dahill, and AK, and I'm sticking by it. THey definitely should not 'just target whoever they think is best' because that gives them far more leeway to get away with lying.

In that case, why don't you think my action should be directed? I don't really understand why you want me to use my power, you do realize it could turn out pretty bad for town right, at least compared to the tracker role for example? I'll just use my power if there is someone who I think has a high enough chance to be protown, and has a more useful role for town than I have.

[Gorrad]

I think Lawrencelot's power should be used when he chooses, not when we do. Too much to lose, not enough to gain.

Repeated for emphasis.

[curiouskarmadog]

jesus, I hate Lance's last post and I am glad my vote is on him....

why do I have a feeling he will be using this excuse like a crutch tomorrow.

I'll just use my power if there is someone who I think has a high enough chance to be protown,

[Gorrad]

He might use it like a crutch, yes. He might never use his power. But think- if we direct him, what will we gain? Basically, a one-shot bulletproof townie who, when they're targetted, kills Lawrencelot. I'm not willing to risk a player's life on that.

We cannot force him to use his power. At all. So let him choose.

[curiouskarmadog]

it is my understanding of a body guard that Lance dies only if somone tries to kill the person he is protecting..right?

[Xdaamno]

Votecount

MafiaSSK: 5

(Flameaxe, pickemgenius, Lawrencelot, Gorrad, JamesThePhox)

Anatole Kuragin: 2

(dahill1, goborage)

pickemgenius: 2

(Anatole Kuragin, andersonw)

JamesThePhox: 1

(curiouskarmadog)

Not Voting: 2

(MafiaSSK, The Fonz)

Player List: curiouskarmadog, Flameaxe, pickemgenius, MafiaSSK, Lawrencelot, Anatole Kuragin, The Fonz, dahill1, goborage, andersonw, JamesThePhox, Gorrad.

Seven (7) to lynch.

[Gorrad]

Right. Again, what do we get from directing him? It's like directing a doc here, bad idea!

[curiouskarmadog]

I dont want to direct him to a target...I (personally) think he should use the power, though..just dont talk about targets today.

[Gorrad]

Hmmm....I misunderstood. Ok, I can see a case for that. Lawrence, why is it a bad idea for you to use your power on someone you choose every night?

[Lawrencelot]

jesus, I hate Lance's last post and I am glad my vote is on him....

why do I have a feeling he will be using this excuse like a crutch tomorrow.

I'll just use my power if there is someone who I think has a high enough chance to be protown,

If I use it as an excuse, why not lynch me when that happens? It's not like it's a valid excuse anyway... at least not if there are protown looking people.

it is my understanding of a body guard that Lance dies only if somone tries to kill the person he is protecting..right?

Hm, now I'm starting to doubt.

Mod: do I die if I protect someone who is not targeted?

Hmmm....I misunderstood. Ok, I can see a case for that. Lawrence, why is it a bad idea for you to use your power on someone you choose every night?

Because I don't always know who is protown. I can guess, but so can the scum. My question was, if you all force me to protect, why not choose a target for me as well? (if you say: so you can explain your actions, then why force me to protect anyway?) Scum benefits from knowing that I will use my action. So maybe it's better if town knows more. I didn't think a lot about this though.

[curiouskarmadog]

currently the way that the Mod has it worded, it DOES sound like if you target someone you die...I think we could use a clarification.

[The Fonz]

Right. Again, what do we get from directing him? It's like directing a doc here, bad idea!

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong,

WRONG!
WRONG!
WRONG!

Do you think it is scummy to suggest that a doc use his ability on

someone

? Directing a doc

to a particular target

is scummy, because the scum will know who is being protected. However, it is obviously protown to insist a doctor protect SOMEBODY.

Because I don't always know who is protown. I can guess, but so can the scum. My question was, if you all force me to protect, why not choose a target for me as well? (if you say: so you can explain your actions, then why force me to protect anyway?) Scum benefits from knowing that I will use my action. So maybe it's better if town knows more. I didn't think a lot about this though.

How does scum benefit from knowing you will use your action? Please give a non-ridiculous scenario in which scum are better off knowing you're protecting someone, but not whom.

[Gorrad]

Hey, Fonz, see my post RIGHT AFTER THAT. I misunderstood the argument.

Lawrencelot, the only bad thing that might happen is that you protect from a crosskill. The odds of that happening are small compared to the odds of anything else.

[MafiaSSK]

I dont want to direct him to a target...I (personally) think he should use the power, though..just dont talk about targets today.

I know this is an old subject but I'll bring it up again. If we all talked about our targets then scum would know them, but they would onlyy be able to target 1 person right? And couldn't we have that person bodyguarded?

[pickemgenius]

i came to this place thinking day would be done.

i am disappointed

[MafiaSSK]

i came to this place thinking day would be done.

i am disappointed

Vote:peg

Why do you want to rush the lynch so badly?

[dahill1]

i'm fine with dice rolling out of the bad roles to see who we target, but i'm also fine with just targetting JTP

[JamesThePhox]

This day is dragging out too long. I support getting rid of the bad roles. Voting me off is fine as well.

I just have again, a problem with the potential of a vote-less innocent that will turn a standard 5-person lylo to a 6-person lylo. But I agree, my role isn't much use in general. Which is why I have no real problem with telling each other night actions.

[Flameaxe]

i came to this place thinking day would be done.

i am disappointed

Vote:peg

Why do you want to rush the lynch so badly?

This vote is "lulz".