Large Normal 216 - Endgame

[Flavor Leaf]

Maxous - convince me Nero town please I don’t see it

Because

a) Flubber aggressively went after Creature early in the game in a non-bussing way

b) Shortaru was questioning and prodding all the late wagon votes on Flubber when it was obvious he was going to be lynched. Something i don't feel like a scum-buddy would of done.

Plus i don't see what's wrong with Nero, i looked through your ISO and i'm don't really see your case as to why he's so scummy.

Ah - I’m basically interpreting those things as scummy whereas you’re not. I agree Nero hasn’t done anything scummy but I don’t think he has done anything Town (albeit replacing into a slot being constantly pressured by me is probably part of that)

Knife, going through my heart right now.

The scum theatre...

[Completly Trustworthy]

Sorry for the low activity, I've been both busy in real life and gotten bored of this day phase. Hopefully, I can get back into this game and avoid being replaced.
My opinion of Nero has changed for the better given how opportunistic some of the votes on him seemed and his lack of defenders. I also like how he's actually contributing to the game now. Therefore, I think that at least one of the people on Nero's wagon is probably scum. I townread Garmr and think ofhrz is close to confirmed town, so its between Profii and RCE. I'll go with RCE for now because of his recent antics.
VOTE: RCE

[Maxous]

Wagon analysis, let’s call it Wagonomics, points hard to Profii as well.

eh.

Looking at it, he was early on the Seph counter-wagon and late on the scum-Flubber wagon.
Plus not so great looking votes on Carcacilly and CT on Day 1

I can kinda see where this is coming from.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel these are the most important wagons thus far.

Sephiroth(6):Creature;profii;Saudade;

DVa

;ofrhz;Performer;

Nero Cain(4): profii;Completely Trustworthy;RCEnigma;Garmr;

Flubbernugget

(10):Completely Trustworthy;Gamma Emerald;AP;

DVa

;ofrhz;Performer;profii;Carcalilly;Garmr;Flavor Leaf;



Players that were only on Flubber:
Gamma Emerald, AP, Carcalilly, Flavor Leaf

Players that were on Flubber and one other wagon:
Completely Trustworthy, ofrhz, Performer, Garmr

People who are not on Flubber and on one wagon:
RCEnigma, Creature, Saudade

People on all three:
Profii.


Who’s absent from this list of 12 name?!? Maxous. That is actively staying away from it because partner Profii is pushing them, but Profii was sitting behind other people pushing it more.

I also would think there’s at least one scum on the middle two lists.

[Flavor Leaf]

To be fair, I am actually starting to lean less on Maxous.

VOTE: Profii

I truly think this is scum, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s actually a strong case for AP being town, considering we weren’t able to find common ground anywhere until the scum wagon.

Why would he fight certain other wagons, but be okay with lynching scum if he was scum?

AP town.

[RCEnigma]

Ok. If Maxous flips town is Profii still scum? Or vice versa?

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s Flubber. Scum definitely bused, if that wasn’t clear that i was for sure implying that. One or two.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ok. If Maxous flips town is Profii still scum? Or vice versa?

My reads are completely separate from each other, but their conversing looked like SvS to me.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have never scum read Profii like this ever. We generally work together really well when we’re both town, and he actively tries to show me that. I’m literally conf town, and I’m getting nothing.

I’ve also been subtly pushing I thought he was scum for a bit.

He’s also actively trying to tear Saudade down to weaken me.

This is ScumProfii.

Wagon analysis, let’s call it Wagonomics, points hard to Profii as well.

I feel these are the most important wagons thus far.

Sephiroth(6):Creature;profii;Saudade;

DVa

;ofrhz;Performer;

Nero Cain(4): profii;Completely Trustworthy;RCEnigma;Garmr;

Flubbernugget

(10):Completely Trustworthy;Gamma Emerald;AP;

DVa

;ofrhz;Performer;profii;Carcalilly;Garmr;Flavor Leaf;



Players that were only on Flubber:
Gamma Emerald, AP, Carcalilly, Flavor Leaf

Players that were on Flubber and one other wagon:
Completely Trustworthy, ofrhz, Performer, Garmr

People who are not on Flubber and on one wagon:
RCEnigma, Creature, Saudade

People on all three:
Profii.


Who’s absent from this list of 12 name?!? Maxous. That is actively staying away from it because partner Profii is pushing them, but Profii was sitting behind other people pushing it more.

I also would think there’s at least one scum on the middle two lists.

[Flavor Leaf]

To have my Profii case in one post

[Flavor Leaf]

Ok. If Maxous flips town is Profii still scum? Or vice versa?

This also looks like a Scum Support line testing the waters where this could go.

I might be leaning RCE/Profii now, and reconsidering my Maxous read.

[RCEnigma]

Could be. Or it's not. What do you think about Nos?

[Maxous]

Who’s absent from this list of 12 name?!? Maxous. That is actively staying away from it because partner Profii is pushing them, but Profii was sitting behind other people pushing it more.

Which would literally be the worst play as Flubber's partner.

You either defend him or you bus him.

Staying hands off from the situation means you are passively allowing your buddy to get lynched while getting zero town credit.

I haven't justified much of the scumreads on me but i'll say this: I know better than to sit on the fence when a buddy is getting lynched, Particularly when it would of been so easy to jump on Flubber as a "compromise"

[Flavor Leaf]

xx2008 - town for genuine ness, and understanding the DVA case, and not accepting Seph. I think it’s genuine town from the IC comments.

Performer - Multitasking JOAT claim is genuine or he’a Crazy scum. I don’t see Performer as that crazy. Town.

Carcalilly - mm...I have reason to believe this is a town slot. I don’t think they’d bring up the replacing out comment as scum. Weak reasoning, i won’t stick to that, but lean town. They were also only on the Flubber wagon of the three.

Maxous - staying under the radar, and then coming in and taking control sometimes. Actively staying off of hot topic wagons. Lean scum.

Garmr - I’m kind of null here. He could fill it out the scum team or be outside townie. Most null read for me in the game, alongside CT.

Saudade - I’m gonna say town. This is a bold play they’ve been doing, and he’s been sticking to sheeping me. That’s dangerous in my opinion as scum. He also gave doubts about Seph being scum while sheeping. Town.

Nero Cain - this is him being a mislynch candidate. His wagon doesn’t make sense to not be scum motivated.

Sephiroth - that wagon was scum motivated haha. I have other reasons why he’s more than likely town, that will come up later, though. Just know, the answer is yes. Yes. Town.

Gamma Emerald - Gamma was only on Flubber. Sure, he’d bus, but he wasn’t for the other wagons either. Town.

AP - i explained my town read here, alongside him only being on a Flubber.

Shattiel - meh. This could be scum or town. Scum support utility. Not decided yet, but not null.

Completly Trustworthy - same as Garmr, but I liked their most recent posting.

profii - scum.

RCEnigma - likely scum due to the reasons I’ve been bringing up.

ofrhz - super genuine, and while not giving a lot, i feel like they’re just lost, and trying to figure things out, but kind of listening moreso than coming up with their own stuff. But I feel they are genuinely piecing things together. Town.

Nosf - could go either way. I don’t think Nosf is TvT with Maxous, nor did i think that with Seph. I’ll lean scum, but this could just be scum’s scapegoat.

[Flavor Leaf]

Who’s absent from this list of 12 name?!? Maxous. That is actively staying away from it because partner Profii is pushing them, but Profii was sitting behind other people pushing it more.

Which would literally be the worst play as Flubber's partner.

You either defend him or you bus him.

Staying hands off from the situation means you are passively allowing your buddy to get lynched while getting zero town credit.

I haven't justified much of the scumreads on me but i'll say this: I know better than to sit on the fence when a buddy is getting lynched, Particularly when it would of been so easy to jump on Flubber as a "compromise"

I disagree. It lets you say exactly what you just said there. It’s expected of scum partners to bus Flubber there. It’s not expected of them to hard defend him much. Staying off the grid with it is the premier scum play there, especially if scum is already on the wagon.

[profii]

FL
I’m seeing what Tchill did in boonytoonz - in Nero... do you get that

I was thinking on my way home from footy that does not factor that it was Tchill s main power role so more likely to resist bus. Idk how that plays out ina large

See where I’m coming from?

[Nero Cain]

oh now there's an RCE wagon. :/

I think I'm wrong on Profi though.

I'll vote either or

VOTE: RCE

[Nero Cain]

If I may interject here, you are only scum reading me for one reason. If you ignored that I'm null at least for you, yes?

Could you remind me of your not Nero scum reads and why did you stop scum reading XX?

[Flavor Leaf]

FL
I’m seeing what Tchill did in boonytoonz - in Nero... do you get that

I was thinking on my way home from footy that does not factor that it was Tchill s main power role so more likely to resist bus. Idk how that plays out ina large

See where I’m coming from?

I see it. It’s similar. But Nero’s probably coming from a town mindset. He’s not pushing for a mislynch is the difference. He’s analyzing. Tchill was looking for a way to weave the game into a way that could sensibly state him as town. I don’t see Nero doing that here.

[RCEnigma]

Alright so I don't have the energy to mount a defense on what's going to end up being a compromise Lynch on me due to deadline constraints and inactive slots.

This is what's going to happen. I'm going to bed as I work tonight. Then I'll wake up and I'm going to claim my role. Then AP, Performer, and myself are going to figure out how to confirm slots tonight. And then we will figure out who to actually Lynch.

Objections?

[profii]

I have never scum read Profii like this ever. We generally work together really well when we’re both town, and he actively tries to show me that. I’m literally conf town, and I’m getting nothing.

I’ve also been subtly pushing I thought he was scum for a bit.

He’s also actively trying to tear Saudade down to weaken me.

This is ScumProfii.

Wagon analysis, let’s call it Wagonomics, points hard to Profii as well.

I know you were scum reading me earlier but I just ignored it lol

The problem with the Saudade thing is there are 3 outcomes:
A) you are voting scum, Saudade follows - great
B) you are voting town, Saudade is town and follows - scums life is easy
C) you are voting town, Saudade is scum and gets a free pass

So I feel like Saudade not really giving us much at all does not help us in the “show each other we are town”

So whilst I’m happy to work with you, I’m still smarting a bit from that mason claim so excuse me for not blindly following you :p

[Flavor Leaf]

I caught scum in that game, though.

I caught the first scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Day 1

[profii]

FL
I’m seeing what Tchill did in boonytoonz - in Nero... do you get that

I was thinking on my way home from footy that does not factor that it was Tchill s main power role so more likely to resist bus. Idk how that plays out ina large

See where I’m coming from?

I see it. It’s similar. But Nero’s probably coming from a town mindset. He’s not pushing for a mislynch is the difference. He’s analyzing. Tchill was looking for a way to weave the game into a way that could sensibly state him as town. I don’t see Nero doing that here.

Yeah ok the bit that bugged me about the Short iso was off the top of my head he was voting Flubber early on then moved to Seph with a naked vote - there wasn’t anything like

“I’m voting Flubber right now but he did c y s so he is prob town so I’m gonna move to...”

Without that it looked like someone removing themselves from a dangerous wagon (to their win con obvs)