Jester wrote:Nyktorion wrote:If you just wanted the town to focus on scumhunting instead of setup discussions, why did you not just use FOSes instead of votes during the day (the "playing it safe" point I tried to make at that tine, which was also the root of the escalation of the setup discussion), instead of escalating the discussion as well?
Ummmm... I did. I used both. I used all three.
I do not know what exactly you mean by "both" and "all three", but it surely cannot be my "playing it safe" and "fos-instead-of-vote" point you quoted.
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Jester wrote:You might want to actually read 626. I've posted a link to it, just to make it easy.
Jester, in #626 wrote:Also, it seems pretty clear to me that Rosso was vigged. The guy was acting like an ass, and certainly deserved his fate. And heaven knows he certainly drew any vigs we have in the game on himself. I don't think I've ever seen such anti-town behavior. It'd be hard to find a person in this game that didn't want Rosso dead,
so finding out who killed him is going to be tough unless someone now wants to claim vig. I'm not a vig.
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Jester wrote:You're right about 704, though. I posted that because even ROTN (an obvious townie) was getting sucked into the stupid setup crap that you and Ecto were pushing all through page 27. I got frustrated and wrote 704 just to get ROTN to shut up about it. You'll notice that the conclusion in my 704 was absolutely freakin' correct, whereas the speculative crap you posted in your seven posts had no conclusions and was just stirring shit. So, you're right about 704. I wrote three posts about the setup on day 3.
I think you still do not really get the argument I was tryig to make: your setup was the most probable, but not sure enough to risk everything on it. You still played a game of Russian Roulette with the fate of the town, and even though you won that game, it was still completely unnecessary. The other option is of course, that you already knew more about the number of scum than the rest of the town, and therefore went into this game
that
confidently.
Jester wrote:You seem to be counting five posts from me, but I reject your arguments for 626 and 694. Even if I humor you and count them, though, your lie stands. But the fact that you won't admit you were wrong even when you yourself say that you were wrong makes it clear to me: you're scum.
I reject your rejection of my arguments for 626 and 694. And, if you go by counting the number of posts that mentioned, then of course I posted more about the SK topic than you did. When I posted my "lie", I did not count the number of posts mentioning the SK. I just clearly remembered that you were involved into this discussion in all of your posts. What makes you call me scummy now is just the fact that you had less posts than me in total during the considered period of time (due to your schedule), but that does not mean that you had less involvement there.
Jester wrote:At this point, if nobody else is going to take an action before then, I'm going to vote for Nyktorion on Thursday. I'm now 100% convinced he's scum. But I've been wrong in this game before, so if someone wants to thrown down a vote and a justification on another target, do it before Thursday. But at this point, I'm sure enough about Nyktorion to commit and risk a town loss if I'm wrong, if nobody else will commit first.
In the meantime, Nyktorion, you sound pretty sure about me. Why not go ahead and put a vote down on me?
This is rather similar to the SK issue we had yesterday: I think you are by far the most probable scum here. However, I think that, as long as we have time, we may still use it to play it safely.
On the other hand, should you decide to start the actual voting, then I will surely return the vote: then, if you are scum, the vote is obviously well-placed (as it would already be without you voting me). However, in the unlikely, but possible, case that you are also town, scum would have already myself as a quicklynch target - when they get a second such target, that would not make the situation any worse (one quicklynch target is already enough for scum to win the game in LyLo).
Mizzy wrote:That can either be on purpose or a mistake, and since we have no way of knowing which it is, it's a null tell. Your post feels like defense via offense and makes you look scummier in my book.
I think the danger of LyLo was actually the point of the whole two/scum/three scum/SK discussion. So how would it be anything other than on purpose, then?
Mizzy wrote:I didn't even connect the dots to it being possibly lylo that day until someone mentioned it, so I can't fault or judge anyone else on it.
LyLo was first mentioned in post #634, which I would still count towards the early part of Day 3.
