Mafia 78: Meta Breaking Mafia 1 - Game over!

Guardian · Post Post #675 (ISO) » Wed May 14, 2008 5:45 pm

Vote Count #27

Surye[4] (shaft.ed, elias_the_thief, Gorrad, Tarhalindur)
pickemgenius[2] (Xtoxm, Machiavellian-Mafia)
Gorrad[1] (Kison)

Not Voting[5]: (Surye, the silent speaker, Rosso Carne, pickemgenius, farside22)

the silent speaker · Post Post #676 (ISO) » Thu May 15, 2008 11:19 am

PEG, how does that follow? Does she never do that to scum as scum?

shaft.ed · Post Post #677 (ISO) » Thu May 15, 2008 12:42 pm

OK I actually got some reading in, and I found it quite interesting. So rereading I get the feeling Adel really though she could pull off that Surye wagon, or at least get a claim out of it. But it did end quite abruptly. What's interesting is that the new target at the end of the wagon was MM.

I have a feeling that one of MM or Surye is tied to Adel. Possibly Ecto/Gorrad but I think that would be too obvious.

shaft.ed · Post Post #678 (ISO) » Thu May 15, 2008 12:50 pm

Adel wrote:ok,
unvote, vote:Machiavellian-Mafia

putting him at -1 (probably) was a bad thing to do without the required warning.

This comment is interesting in hindsight. Also she only seems to have voted MM because Ecto aimed his wagon in that direction. Thus I find it less likely that Adel is associated with him. Possible that Adel and Ecto were a team but again would they be that obvious about it.

Finally it's interesting that Adel was fairly adamant in defending Surye against Coolbot's desire for a claim but simultaneously defending Coolbot from the lynch.

I think the connection still comes back to Surye but I'm less certain of it than before. I certainly wouldn't put it past Adel to hyper bus on D1 for the town cred.

Surye · Post Post #679 (ISO) » Thu May 15, 2008 1:20 pm

I'm not sure what to say on this thread, but Adel was seeming to shadow Ecto quite a bit. I don't like the way Shaft.ed put it, sounded way too WIFOM, but ABR is the one who put effort into stopping my wagon. Coolbot's second wagon makes sense still in hindsight, as misguided as it may have been.

A lot of people are using strange arguments in this last wagon against me, and I'm not sure how to respond.

Elias_the_thief wrote:
pickemgenius wrote:
shaft.ed wrote:So I really need to devote more time to this game.

Can we bandwagon Surye already?

so.... still not seeing where this is a good idea...
proven scum that started the wagon jumped off for no good reason when it got serious? How is that not good enough reason?

unvote, vote: surye

Proven town tried to derail it too. And? It wasn't until coolbot started playing bad that the wagon on me derailed. Adel's play absolved her of any responsibility if I had been lynched, and shown as town.

Gorrad wrote:Still don't believe Xotxm a lick, but I'm cool with a bit more Surye lynching.
Unvote, Vote: Surye
. That's L-2 if it's six to lynch, L-3 if it's seven. Not sure which.

This makes no sense, you have a case against me or xtoxm? I can't tell.

shaft.ed · Post Post #680 (ISO) » Thu May 15, 2008 1:23 pm

Gorrad what do you think of Ecto?

Surye why do you think Adel gave up on your wagon when you were at L-1?

What do you think of MM's vote on you at that time?

Surye · Post Post #681 (ISO) » Thu May 15, 2008 1:26 pm

shaft.ed wrote:Gorrad what do you think of Ecto?

Surye why do you think Adel gave up on your wagon when you were at L-1?

What do you think of MM's vote on you at that time?

Because of how hard she was railing me, when I came up town, she would be suspect number 1, and she probably forsaw the possibility she may die before me, and setup an easy mislynch. This is obvious speculation as I have no idea why she was railing me, and then forgot about me, but as I see it, her buddy buddy with ecto is no more an obvious play then her dropping off my wagon, so I'm not sure why you're focusing on that.

shaft.ed · Post Post #682 (ISO) » Thu May 15, 2008 1:34 pm

question 3?

Gorrad · Post Post #683 (ISO) » Thu May 15, 2008 2:17 pm

In my readthrough, the only thing for him that stuck out as scummy was the setup speculation. He wasn't the greatest player, but I'd label him as protown even if I hadn't replaced him.

pickemgenius · Post Post #684 (ISO) » Thu May 15, 2008 3:54 pm

the silent speaker wrote:PEG, how does that follow? Does she never do that to scum as scum?

my personal experience with her says nope.

Xtoxm · Post Post #685 (ISO) » Fri May 16, 2008 2:11 am

PEG is actually looking a little better to me with this recent comments...He should still not purposely contribute little though...

unvote vote Gorrad

I'm really not liking him atm.

shaft.ed · Post Post #686 (ISO) » Fri May 16, 2008 4:53 am

Xtoxm wrote:PEG is actually looking a little better to me with this recent comments...He should still not purposely contribute little though...

unvote vote Gorrad

I'm really not liking him atm.

Mind telling me why he hasn't posted much as of late (not that anyone has really). Just wondering where the "atm" comes in to play.

Guardian · Post Post #687 (ISO) » Fri May 16, 2008 6:17 am

farside22 has requested replacement. Searching.

Gorrad · Post Post #688 (ISO) » Fri May 16, 2008 8:03 am

Xtoxm wrote:PEG is actually looking a little better to me with this recent comments...He should still not purposely contribute little though...

unvote vote Gorrad

I'm really not liking him atm.

Oh, why? Because I used logic to say EXACTLY why I don't believe your claim a lick? I'd like a case with votes plskthx.

Surye · Post Post #689 (ISO) » Fri May 16, 2008 8:25 am

Gorrad wrote:
Xtoxm wrote:PEG is actually looking a little better to me with this recent comments...He should still not purposely contribute little though...

unvote vote Gorrad

I'm really not liking him atm.
Oh, why? Because I used logic to say EXACTLY why I don't believe your claim a lick? I'd like a case with votes plskthx.

Yea, this felt slightly like a kneejerk reaction to me too, I don't see what Xtoxm is playing at.

Guardian · Post Post #690 (ISO) » Fri May 16, 2008 8:44 am

PBug replaces farside22.

TBuG · Post Post #691 (ISO) » Fri May 16, 2008 1:18 pm

Hi all, I'll have this read ASAP, I have another game I need to get up to date on too so don't freak out if I don't respond.

Rosso Carne · Post Post #692 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2008 9:02 am

I read through and I'm not EXACTLY sure why surye is being wagoned. if someone got it all in one place that would be great.

Based on D1 purely, im also willing to support a gorrad wagon, maybe.

Gorrad · Post Post #693 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2008 9:26 am

Considering I had almost no posts d1, yeah.

shaft.ed · Post Post #694 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2008 9:28 am

I don't know if Ecto/Gorrad would have tied themselves that obviously to Adel. Maybe SK, but I don't know about mafia.

Gorrad · Post Post #695 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2008 9:32 am

I dunno what the heck Ecto was thinking if he tied himself to Adel at all. I found Adel scummy as heck, though, as I stated repeatedly end of d1, and if I was in his shoes I wouldn't have supported anything Adel did.

shaft.ed · Post Post #696 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2008 9:36 am

Gorrad wrote:I dunno what the heck Ecto was thinking if he tied himself to Adel at all. I found Adel scummy as heck, though, as I stated repeatedly end of d1, and if I was in his shoes I wouldn't have supported anything Adel did.

So why the coolbot hammer?

FoS

Gorrad · Post Post #697 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2008 9:48 am

Because there was a LOT of Adel/Coolbot buddying happening, you can't deny that. I was fairly confident that Adel was just bussing.

pickemgenius · Post Post #698 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2008 10:57 am

pickemgenius wrote:Also I'm going to have limited access starting tomorrow for a week.

Elias_the_thief · Post Post #699 (ISO) » Sat May 17, 2008 2:44 pm

Surye wrote:
Elias_the_thief wrote:
pickemgenius wrote:
shaft.ed wrote:So I really need to devote more time to this game.

Can we bandwagon Surye already?

so.... still not seeing where this is a good idea...
proven scum that started the wagon jumped off for no good reason when it got serious? How is that not good enough reason?

unvote, vote: surye
Proven town tried to derail it too. And? It wasn't until coolbot started playing bad that the wagon on me derailed. Adel's play absolved her of any responsibility if I had been lynched, and shown as town.

Um...the proven town wasn't the one who started it, and also had better reasons to jump off then a delayed reaction to a dumb joke, which was Adel's reason. Adel didnt go to the coolbot wagon from you actually, so I dunno how thats connected to Adel jumping off your wagon at all. I'm not even sure what youre trying to say at the end.

Pickem, when you get back, examples of your meta?