Large Normal 216 - Endgame

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Saudade
AP
FL
Maxous
Garmr
RCEnigma
Xx2000

Oh, we’re at 7.

Means we have one mislynch.

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We lynch within Garm, AP, Saudade today, and I think that’s my order.

I actually think that lynch path wins us the game.

[Almost50]

@FL: You won't let us lynch Saudade any more than you would have let us lynch Creature in that game THAT's what I'm talking about.

This is why you’re giving scum vibes.

I clearly just stated the scum team was Garmr + Saudade or Garmr + You

You said this TODAY. You've been shielding Saudade all game. Let me remind you this back and forth started when I said you were not KILLED because of your reads. Stating you SR Saudade TODAY doesn't make it mire likely you would have got shot LAST NIGHT! Duh!

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So?

That was very much a political read. I told you guys from the beginning I was mimicking a Not Mafia like style so I could live to end game and be able to game solve.

I’m a late game town player. :shrug:

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Now it seems like you’re shielding Saudade, but I’m not sure if that’s you trying to potential tie yourself together with Saudade now.

I could see you town, I could see you as scum.

I don’t necessarily see you as scum with Saudade, but I’m not seeing anything major come of the way you act towards Saudade, so I don’t think it’s out of the realm of yours or his scum game, but again, I don’t necessarily think that’s the path.

However, with my push on Garmr, you aren’t necessarily chainsawing me...since you are attacking me by way of discrediting...let’s make up our own term for it.

Let’s call it Hatcheting. You are Hatcheting me, because you are chopping down the tree that I have been growing with a hatchet, and this tree is the Garmr is Scum by VCA tree, and you are Hatcheting this tree with your incessant aimless discrediting of me even though I have obviously done a complete rehaul of my thought process.

This indicates pointlessness on your part, because as town, what would be your purpose of doing this. What necessitates you to attempt to discredit. What is your goal from all of this? It feels like your goal should be to have me reevaluate my reads, but I have already done that, so it’s literally an act of pointlessness on your part, which is why I think it’s coming from a scum POV.

I could see you being hung up on something as town, but personally I just feel like you’re scum hiding behind a facade and lost track of what you truly were doing.

VOTE: Garmr

[AP]

@FL: You won't let us lynch Saudade any more than you would have let us lynch Creature in that game THAT's what I'm talking about.

This is why you’re giving scum vibes.

I clearly just stated the scum team was Garmr + Saudade or Garmr + You

You said this TODAY. You've been shielding Saudade all game. Let me remind you this back and forth started when I said you were not KILLED because of your reads. Stating you SR Saudade TODAY doesn't make it mire likely you would have got shot LAST NIGHT! Duh!

[AP]

Damned if I know what you're saying there in 2654, but I'll take that last line.

VOTE: Garmr

[AP]

Let's just get this game done with

[Maxous]

Okay, i finally have time.
I'm going to do a brief re-read right now of this game and see if i get anything new in retrospect

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2655 is more Hatcheting.

[Saudade]

Have you been a naughty boy this game Garmr

[Flavor Leaf]

Let's just get this game done with

Not a bad game. This is actually where the meat of the game really starts, in my opinion. We’re to the main course. Everything else was just the hors d’ouerves and appetizers. We’re at the side dishes now, and soon we’ll get to our entree. If we get to a lylo situation with only 1 mafia left, now that’s dessert. That’s when players truly can shine.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Scum - I dare you to take me to lylo with you.

[Flavor Leaf]

Let's just get this game done with

This implies AP is likely bussing, tbh.

[Flavor Leaf]

Trying to sneak off without even getting to the entree. Pfft.

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Actually this day phase and next if we hit scum is where players truly can shine. Not 3p lylo.

[Maxous]

Done.

Scum is AP & xx2008

Garmr is town. RCE is town.

If xx2008 flips town it's Saudade. But i don't think so. xx2008 was the scum designated bus, particularly from Nero.

Whatever about xx2008, AP should of been nailed in Day 2.

VOTE: AP

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Ah. That’s a scummy post by Maxous.

I don’t think it was bussing. I was actively against XX. Nero tried pushing a counterwagon to get off his wagon, and even when there wasn’t a wagon on him.

I also explained my thoughts on the AP/Saudade pairing.

And you have zero reasoning for why Garmr is town. He’s the only one who has been on every single wagon, and ALL these wagons basically have zero red flips thus far, and only one or two unflipped on each. Garmr is one of those every time.

Garmr is 9 out of 10 times scum every time in this position.

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It’s scummy, but I don’t think maxous is scum, if that wasn’t clear.

I liked the AP target, which doesn’t make sense as scum here considering who else’s he stated as town.

It’s likely Garmr and AP.

They’ll likely crossvote.

Go through Garmr first, however.

[Maxous]

My maintown townread on Garmr is his early game interactions with Creature.

He put him Creature under a lot of early pressure and to me it looked like Creature was trying to appease/buddy him to get him off. WHich i don't see as partners.
I actrually like his vote on Flubber as well. Doesn't feel like a buddy panicking or going for the town cred.

Besides that, i see nothing scummy about his play. Maybe the wagon analysis doesn't look great for him, but i personally wouldn't rely on that alone.

And reading back, i seriously seriously think AP should already been gone now. Every time he gets pressured his throws on the "i don't care about this game" AtE and then he backtracks on it, when the heat is off. I could point about specific examples. This was the worst one:

You have ct as scum AND in not sorted
you have AP as tr AND you voted him
Then you return to coasting

ap wants to die
im not gonna deny him

and we've both talked about ct... i thought u understood his place in the readlist.
i cant read him lol.

@Nos:

What's with the sudden flip on me? For real? Why did you take my sarcastic comment literally?

I was saying I'm not enjoying my role, and I was frustrated my wagon was growing before I even got what I wanted from Maxous. But then Performer claimed and Maxous would not have said anything, because it was outed he didn't go anywhere anyway, so I also claimed.

[Maxous]

I don't think i've liked AP's interactions with any of the wagons either.

He fence-sat the whole day 1 and jumped on Flubber for no reeason other than it looked like he was going to be lynch.
He completely ignored the profii lynch. no stance on it at all.
I think he mostly ignored the Shattiel lynch as well. Don't remember his thoughts on it.

[Maxous]

He completely ignored the profii lynch. no stance on it at all

and to add to this: he wasn't pushing an alternative at the time either. He just ignored everything going on and played defensive

[Saudade]

Ah. That’s a scummy post by Maxous.

I don’t think it was bussing. I was actively against XX. Nero tried pushing a counterwagon to get off his wagon, and even when there wasn’t a wagon on him.

I also explained my thoughts on the AP/Saudade pairing.

And you have zero reasoning for why Garmr is town. He’s the only one who has been on every single wagon, and ALL these wagons basically have zero red flips thus far, and only one or two unflipped on each. Garmr is one of those every time.

Garmr is 9 out of 10 times scum every time in this position.

quite the opposite
thats some decent posting he did there

[Garmr]

VOTE: Ap
I still don't think disloyal roleblocker works in this scenario.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Ap
I still don't think disloyal roleblocker works in this scenario.

This is a bus or fake obvious scum/scum.

Either way, it shows Garmr is scum.