Mafia 78: Meta Breaking Mafia 1 - Game over!

Gorrad · Post Post #750 (ISO) » Wed May 21, 2008 1:05 am

Yeah, a case against me from any of the people who have voted me is welcome at any time. GJ bandwagoning there, Tar.

pickemgenius · Post Post #751 (ISO) » Wed May 21, 2008 4:00 am

Surye wrote:Well, I guess this close to lynch, a claim is the right move.

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I do this atleast once a game. Holy shit nailed it.

Guardian · Post Post #752 (ISO) » Wed May 21, 2008 4:15 am

Vote Count #30

Surye[4] (shaft.ed, elias_the_thief, Gorrad, Machiavellian-Mafia)
Gorrad[3] (Kison, Xtoxm, Tarhalindur)
Xtoxm[2] (pickemgenius, Surye)

Not Voting[3]: (the silent speaker, Rosso Carne, Toaster Strudel)

Xtoxm · Post Post #753 (ISO) » Wed May 21, 2008 4:49 am

Why are you voting for me? There is absolutley no point in claiming this role if i'm scum cos the SK would just kill me.

Infact, unless we lynch the SK today, I die tonight.

shaft.ed · Post Post #754 (ISO) » Wed May 21, 2008 5:08 am

Xtoxm wrote:Why are you voting for me? There is absolutley no point in claiming this role if i'm scum cos the SK would just kill me.

Infact, unless we lynch the SK today, I die tonight.

Unless you're the SK, we have a doc, or there is no SK.

OK I don't want Surye's partner to confirm his claim just yet, can let him live. I need to reread but I'd prefer a lurker lynch at this point. Xtoxm would be a possible substitute, I think he is playing a tad scummy but as I said I'm tending to believe his claim.

Need to get a read in today.

Xtoxm · Post Post #755 (ISO) » Wed May 21, 2008 5:10 am

How am I being scummy???

And why are you happy with my lynch if you believe me?

Surye · Post Post #756 (ISO) » Wed May 21, 2008 5:19 am

MD5Sum: c2f1512525e87124ed87a4f52f879fb3

Partner can now claim if I die before we get to that.

Xtoxm's claim is a good point, I keep forgetting that, and I still don't like his play. I would be comfortable with a Tarhalindur wagon though.

Unvote, Vote:Tarhalindur

Xtoxm · Post Post #757 (ISO) » Wed May 21, 2008 5:21 am

I'd prefer Gorrad, but i'll be happy with Tar if he gets the votes.

Gorrad · Post Post #758 (ISO) » Wed May 21, 2008 8:02 am

I can believe Surye at this point.

Unvote, Vote: Xtoxm

. I'll vote Tar if he seems more likely near deadline.

Surye · Post Post #759 (ISO) » Wed May 21, 2008 9:09 am

One thing everyone seems to agree with is there is something off with Tar. We should push him close to lynch and see if we can squeeze something out of him.

shaft.ed · Post Post #760 (ISO) » Wed May 21, 2008 9:13 am

I'm not very excited about a Tar lynch but I will go for it if push comes to shove.

I still need to get a read in. Hope I have the time/motivation before deadline.

shaft.ed · Post Post #761 (ISO) » Wed May 21, 2008 10:37 am

Hey Toaster, we're expecting more from you.

shaft.ed · Post Post #762 (ISO) » Wed May 21, 2008 10:47 am

Reading over Tar I'm more comfortable with his lynch today.

unvote vote Tarhalindur

Xtoxm · Post Post #763 (ISO) » Wed May 21, 2008 12:24 pm

I'm feeling less comfortable with a Tar lynch, actually.

I really think Gorrad is best.

Surye · Post Post #764 (ISO) » Wed May 21, 2008 3:26 pm

Xtoxm wrote:I'm feeling less comfortable with a Tar lynch, actually.

I really think Gorrad is best.

What about a tar lynch makes you uncomfortable?

Tarhalindur · Post Post #765 (ISO) » Wed May 21, 2008 8:56 pm

Points against Gorrad: Ecto (who Gorrad replaced) helped derail the first Surye wagon (I've said it before, and I'll say it again - any wagon that reaches L-2 in a game with at least 10 players alive needs to end in a claim), used a playstyle consisting of lots of questions and vote/bandwagon jumps with little explanation (coming from Ecto, that's scummy as all hell), and all-but-ignored Adel despite helping her with the Surye derail (again, consistent with Ecto scum). Gorrad is not nearly as bad, but he bandwagoned heavily, especially at the start of Day 2 (somewhat unusual coming from Gorrad - from what I've seen, he usually stays focused on a single player).

The other big point against Gorrad is that all other easily attainable lynches have major problems (Xtoxm looks all-but-clear to me at the moment, Surye can confirm himself via his partner, I can pretty much clear myself by claim if needed). I'd also support an Elias lynch, but there's no support for that.

Xtoxm · Post Post #766 (ISO) » Wed May 21, 2008 9:19 pm

His recent posts have looked very good to me.

Machiavellian-Mafia · Post Post #767 (ISO) » Thu May 22, 2008 12:01 am

I currently buy Surye's claim, because as others have said, his partner can confirm him. With the deadline coming up soon I will reread specifically at Tar and to a lesser extent Ecto/Gorrad since they seem to be the two most likely lynches to happen today. I will reach a decision later today.

Gorrad · Post Post #768 (ISO) » Thu May 22, 2008 12:55 am

Joyous, so the one point against me specifically is that I bandwagoned. That's easily explainable, I actually took good notes during this readthrough. Therefore, because I had notes on hand, I was comfortable voting those I mentioned as scummy. Typically, I don't have notes nearly as good at this, so I'll find one very scummy player and not remember much about others. Not exactly a good strategy, hence the change. Other points I can't defend against, as I didn't cause them.

Also, as much as I hate to admit it, Tar's second paragraph does make sense. He didn't mention the posibility of him being lynched, naturally, but too many people seem to have fallen for Xtoxm's fakeclaim for an Xtoxm lynch to be viable. Ah well, we'll see.

Xtoxm · Post Post #769 (ISO) » Thu May 22, 2008 2:38 am

Tar has said he can clear himself, so running him up and forcing him to claim is only going to be a bad thing.

shaft.ed · Post Post #770 (ISO) » Thu May 22, 2008 5:09 am

Xtoxm wrote:Tar has said he can clear himself, so running him up and forcing him to claim is only going to be a bad thing.

Tar, Xtoxm connection noted.

Tar, if Gorrad was derailing the Surye wagon with Adel's help, wouldn't that mean for Gorrad to be scum Surye would also have to be scum?

Surye · Post Post #771 (ISO) » Thu May 22, 2008 5:50 am

Xtoxm wrote:Tar has said he can clear himself, so running him up and forcing him to claim is only going to be a bad thing.

I'm not sure I see the logic in this. The point of a claim is to see if it's verifiable and consistant. If anyone could say this to stave off a wagon, what's the point?

I do not like this Xtoxm post. First he posts a vague reason he doesn't like the idea of a tar wagon, then jumps on this like he's desperate to find some logic.

ISO · Post Post #772 (ISO) » Thu May 22, 2008 7:24 am

Ok, Surye is a bad lynch. Like someone said before, his partner can come forward to confirm him. If it's a scum gambit, then that's a two-for-one. Big gamble on Surye's part if he's lying.

Still think Gorrad's a decent prospect for now, but will reread. I don't like how Xtoxm is pulling away from a Tar wagon. Like I said before, Tar is also not a bad choice based on his lack of presence alone. But there's a level of certainty to Xtoxm when he said :

Xtoxm wrote:Tar has said he can clear himself, so running him up and forcing him to claim is only going to be a bad thing.

How do you know he isn't lying?

Xtoxm · Post Post #773 (ISO) » Thu May 22, 2008 7:30 am

I don't, but making that comment seems a bit silly if he can't follow through with it. He'll just be found out later on a massclaim.

shaft.ed · Post Post #774 (ISO) » Thu May 22, 2008 7:38 am

Surye when did you start using code in mafia games?