Mini 584: Sudo_Nym Presents- Over!

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Oh my god, you left 533 thinking you were the paragon of town. That's a pretty selective list, you were also confident I was scum, ds was scum, soupfly was scum. . . etc. But even if you somehow have the magic touch of scum-finding, your arguments are so bad they're anti-town

by virtue of their badness.

Man, at this point, you're doing the town more harm than good even if you are town.

Vote zeek.

That's L-2. . . I still think L-1 is a better time to claim, but if I'm outvoted, no big deal.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Unvote, vote zeek.

Oops.

[icemanE]

Yes, Zeek, if you aren't mafia you're helping them out by sucking all the attention off of them and onto your crappiness, so either way, you're a liability to the town.

[Lowell]

Still only 5?

unvote, vote zeek

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[Johoohno]

Okay we really need to get all players to get back in line. We've got plenty of material to judge some from, but almost nothing on others (Greasy Spot, Nanosauromo/Sir Tornado & Marmalade).

A few notes though (I have only skimmed page 17 and 18, will read them closer someday soon):

Thestatusquo

: I don't like his supporting early D1 bandwagons to get claims. I believe the start of D1 to be about get a feel for the players. Starting to getting claims D1 is only beneficial for scums. Also, I don't agree with him on FaerieLord, I'm pretty suspicious of him.

ThesweatpantsNinja

: I'm quite surprised at his defensive attitude to TSQ's "attacks" on him.

I am also very concerned with how a lot of player starts to dance by TSQ's tune and hop on the zeek wagon just to excruciate him into claiming (seems to do so more to get the claim than by their own presented suspicions of him - talking mostly about Lowell, TSN and IcemanE here).

I am still somewhat suspicious of Zeek, but I am in no rush to lynch anyone yet, I want to have more to judge the silent players by before the first day ends. And as of now I have other candidates topping my scum lists

Mod: Prod Greasy Spot, Sir Tornado & Marmalade

(I know that Marmalade said he had limited access, but since we seem to be getting close to a lynch it might be good to prod anyway). Perhaps Greasy Spot should be replaced - he's promised to catch up but nothing has happened for ages.

[FaerieLord]

Also, I don't agree with him on FaerieLord

Would surely be swell to know why

seems to do so more to get the claim than by their own presented suspicions of him - talking mostly about Lowell, TSN and IcemanE here).

I agree, mostly about TSPN

I am still somewhat suspicious of Zeek, but I am in no rush to lynch anyone yet, I want to have more to judge the silent players by before the first day ends. And as of now I have other candidates topping my scum lists

Lovely fence isn't it?

[Johoohno]

Also, I don't agree with him on FaerieLord

Would surely be swell to know why

• The one who started the “claim train” (post post 131 among others). I see it as role fishing. Which I see is strengthened by this statement: “it's a "He's a detriment to the town, it's a win win situation." vote” (post 371).
• And some time later he tries to please those who doesn’t like the claimingberating another player for role fishing (post 292). (Also see FaerieLords reply to IcemanE in post 308, which is a similar one)

I am still somewhat suspicious of Zeek, but I am in no rush to lynch anyone yet, I want to have more to judge the silent players by before the first day ends. And as of now I have other candidates topping my scum lists

Lovely fence isn't it?

Do you see any downsides in getting more players opinions before ending day1?

[Thestatusquo]

Protip...If you're straight out asking for a claim...It's not role fishing...It's asking for a claim. I already explained the difference earlier. The reason why rolefishing is a scum tell is that it's trying to be covert. Asking for a claim from someone at l-1,2 is not role fishing.

[Thestatusquo]

Do you see any downsides in getting more players opinions before ending day1?

Also, yes.

There is only a certain point up to which extra discussion is useful. Eventually you get to a point where everyone is just beating a dead horse. Considering the most useful information from day ones comes from the claim and the lynch, and not the discussion, anyway, I see no reason why we're not at a lynching threshold right now.

I would definitely like to hear from SirT before we move forward, but I feel like the others you mention have given their opinions on lynching zeek just fine previously in the thread.

Also, your statement is not responsive to what FL said. He accused to of sitting on the fence with regards to placing your

vote

there is no reason why placing your vote is going to not give others the chance to ring in on the matter unless someone quickhammers, and if that happens, hip hip hooray we've caught scum because no pro town player would do that.

[Thestatusquo]

Wait, disregard that last bit...He is at l-1. We need to wait for a claim and a post from SirT before anyone even THINKS about hammering.

[Greasy Spot]

unvote
vote: ZeekLTK

[TDC]

WTF?

[Thestatusquo]

Wait, disregard that last bit...He is at l-1. We need to wait for a claim and a post from SirT before anyone even THINKS about hammering.

unvote
vote: ZeekLTK

Epic fail.

[icemanE]

Grease you asshat. WTF. Now we know who to lynch day 2.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Welp. . . yep.

[FaerieLord]

• The one who started the “claim train” (post post 131 among others). I see it as role fishing. Which I see is strengthened by this statement: “it's a "He's a detriment to the town, it's a win win situation." vote” (post 371).
• And some time later he tries to please those who doesn’t like the claimingberating another player for role fishing (post 292). (Also see FaerieLords reply to IcemanE in post 308, which is a similar one)

Regarding the fishing thing: Thank you for failing at reading. Seriously.

Also, at the win win comment. That was meant as "Zeek isn't helping anyway. Lynching him won't cost us all that much, and it'll make it easier to debate tomorrow."

Do you see any downsides in getting more players opinions before ending day1?

At this point yes. Just throw your vote on someone and hope for the best. Saying "I think Zeek is scummy, but I don't want to be part of the wagon yet..." is fence sitting

In post Edit: Scratch that, he was at -1, as Greasy proved.

Also greasy, stupid move. I hope you have a good reason tomorrow.

[Greasy Spot]

It was Hammah Time!

[FaerieLord]

That is not a good reason

[Thestatusquo]

It was Hammah Time!

So you're one of those players. We're lynching you tomorrow, and if you're not scum, I'm putting you on my mental shitlist of players never to associate with.

[Greasy Spot]

18 pages on Day one? Give me a break. Why would you want to agonize any more? 18 pages is too much discussion with no decisions. It's stupid.

[Thestatusquo]

Because why the fuck would you hammer him without a claim! That makes absolutely zero sense from any pro town perspective.

[Lowell]

Some of this seems like crocodile tears to me. zeek has as good a chance as not to come up scum, so why the end of the world talk?

[Sudo_Nym]

Great, I get back from work to find that I missed the party. In any event, the votes are as follows:

ZeekLTK 7

-

Sir Tornado, FaerieLord, Thestatusquo, icemanE, TheSweatpantsNinja, Lowell, ZeekLTK

icemanE 1-

CaptainCake

Sir Tornado 1-

ZeekLTK

With 12 alive, 7 votes will lynch- and as 7 votes have been reached, ZeekLTK (

Townie

) swings. Those of you with night actions now have until

5:00 PM Thursday the 22nd

to get them into me.

[Sudo_Nym]

As the day dawns, you pick the newspaper from the front step, and glance at the headline:

"Charming Mafia Mod Wins Best Smile Award on Slow News Day".

You realize this can only mean that nobody was killed during the night. Play on!

[ZeekLTK]

This should be interesting...

*Also, told you. :p