So do you want me to vote you first? No matter what, it still sounds like you want the voting to start rather sooner than later, which looks rather hasty at this point.Jester wrote:Short version: if OMGL feels like he needs more time, then I'll give him time to post something substantive. But it sure looks to me like Battousai and Nyktorion, despite their apparent annoyance with me wanting to take action, don't feel like countering it by taking action themselves.
In that case, you did not really understand the quote which you answered when you first mentioned "all three":Jester wrote:I used both: FOS and voting. I used all three: FOS, voting, and escalating the discussion. See the original quote in my 782.
The usage of FOSes, as described in your quote, would have excluded the usage of votes (hence I said "playing it safe"). So in that case, "both" and "all three" is not really a good answer to what I said.Jester wrote:Ummmm... I did. I used both. I used all three.Nyktorion wrote:If you just wanted the town to focus on scumhunting instead of setup discussions, why did you not just use FOSes instead of votes during the day (the "playing it safe" point I tried to make at that tine, which was also the root of the escalation of the setup discussion), instead of escalating the discussion as well?
No matter what the exact semantics of your sentence were, your way of bringing this up, combined with your own immediate claim of not being vig, does at least carry an implicit push for a vig-mass-claim. You even say yourself that you hope that the vig would claim, and that is also how 626 already came across.Jester wrote:Emphasis mine. "Unless" is recognized by most English-language speakers as a conditional. I was hoping that someone would claim, but wasn't requesting it or demanding it. I could see a lot of conditions under which someone might not want to claim, including the possibility that they had more than one shot.
So let me spell this out some more: If you were town, then you would have put the town into danger (you would notJester wrote:Oh, look. A completely inconsistent argument. IF there had been three scum in this game, then the town was only in danger if and ONLY IF I was town. We had seven players, and one vote placed, by me. All three scum would have had to join me to get Battousai lynched, AND I would have to be a townie for it to have worked.
"Jester is probably scum" and "JesterTown put the town in danger with his D3 antics" are completely opposite positions. Sorry, but they can't both be true, and yet you seem to believe both of them. Pick one. Better still, pick neither of them, because neither of those positions are true, and you know it.
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the 2-scum setup then, but at the most see it as most likely
). Still taking unnecessary gambles, and sticking to them like this, would not make so much sense then, and therefore decrease the probability of this sceario (where you are town). Hence, the other option, where you already knew what was going on, is that much more likely.I don't really conider this an argument, so I won't add any more to this quote.Jester wrote:The rest of your 788 strikes me as pot-stirring.
I would consider myself a rather calm person in general. Also, I think that going straight to arguing makes more sense than showing everyone how unpleased you are with the results of the lynch (we know that all townies should be unpleased with the current results, anyway). Since we are playing a forum game, and not meatworld mafia, it does not even make so much sense to judge how real someone's show of unpleasedness appears. So I don't see how me being "too calm" relates to my alignment in the game, rather than my personality.Mizzy wrote:Well, Nyk just seems to show very little affect when it comes to being FoSed or accused...he just seems way, way too calm about the whole thing.
This is a point I already tried to make this day: that this vote wasMizzy wrote:He was the hammer on SA, which in effect saved Battousai's ass, making me think that Nyk knows something more than we do, namely Battousai's alignment.
Battousai's posting has not been consistent with what I'd consider pro-town posting from him for one, and two, I've been keeping an eye on him for a long time for some shady logic. That and Nyk out of the blue saved his ass.
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out of the blue, but that I made my preferences clear before through #725.
) show some points against him, and while it is nice that he is defending me in my current situation, it also has a smell of being "too good to be true". After the events of D3, this would be a plausible curse of action for a BattouScum, though: it does strengthen the idea of a Bat-Nyk link, and therefore sets me up for a D4 or D5 (after Bat's death) lynch, and would draw attention away from his actual scumbuddy Jester.