Mini #597 - Swift speed: Werewolves (Game over)

[Grimmy]

I do admit I rushed my judgement in lynching Phoebus, and I did pretty much skim through the posts to get a "vibe" of who to vote for. Our town payed the price by losing two good men.

As for the Grimmy Badnwagon, I do not blame you guys one bit for voting the way you did.

My first two "days" here have been wasted, but im hoping for a better result IF I survive past the third.

Korts: the grammar situation is when Im trying to type fast enough so my bosses wont catch me on this board instead of doing what I am supposed to be doing.

As for yesterday, I logged in from home for a quick minute and I knew I would not be back in time, so I did jump on the sheepish bandwagon to lynch Phoebus. I have read some more of the posts, and watching how things turn out during this "day", I will be able to give a more "reason-supported" vote later.

My Fos for Blonde was to try to get some info out of him in some way shape or form. I knew he wouldnt be on anyone's radar, so I wanted to investiagte him in order to either find solid proof of guilt, or solid proof of innocence. Unfortunately, he was Eaten before I could get a solid read on him.

Coincidently, the wolf(-ves) chose him as thier NK, knowing I had my eye on him, and also knowing that his death would bring more proof of why I should be the third lynch. Smart move on the wolf(-ves) part, especially if I am lynched today.

While I do admit to bad gameplay during the last "day", it does not make me guilty.
But that is either for all of you to judge, or for someone here to manipulate everyone into going with this vote, and then joining in later to lift suspicions from themeselves.

I would also call to see some more comentary from those who have not been so active. Your silence is drawing attention towards yourselves as well.

Grimmy

Vote count

(9 players alive = 5 to lynch before deadline)

Not voting:

donkeyz12212, Grimmy, Jenter Brolincani, killa seven, Korts, Shy Guy, SleepyPanda, water_foul, Xanatos Roulette

Deadline:

Sunday 25 May 6:00 AM (GMT -5 according to forum clock)

[donkeyz12212]

Okay, what the heck just happened.

1.) The close vote between the two players. It seemed extremely rushed towards the end. People were jumping on Grimmy or Phoebus left and right. And I wasn't sure if people were making their own choices or listening to what others were telling them. This would be a good time to look over the votes and see who followed and who had some real insight on who to vote for.

2.) Given the close vote and his role, why in lord's name did Phoebus not claim? I mean, it was nearing the lynch deadline so there could have been a chance to sway the vote and the wolves would not have been able to kill him in time? That way Grimmy would have been the sure lynch and we could have possibly had a confirmed townie at least for a round, or the wolves might have let Phoebus live given the suspicions surrounding him. Nevertheless claiming would have been the best bet and alas, they did not do that. I blame Phoebus for this.

3.) I was going to find Shy Guy suspicious of Phoebus did in fact flip scum because of his waivering between the two votes. However since Phoebus flipped townie, and doctor for that matter, I'm pretty hopeful that Shy Guy and water_foul are probably townie as well, that is if Grimmy flips scum. Otherwise I be hesistant still about them.

[Korts]

Shy Guy's uncertainty may be a ploy for brownie points, as in he knew beforehand that Phoebus would be town, and he wanted to be able to claim that he was against his lynch, shame on us.

Random thought: I think I've been fairly intent on hunting scum, so a possible reason for someone else other than me being the NK could be that I was on the wrong track. Therefore I'm dropping the case on Grimmy for now.

Time to look at Jenter. PBPA to follow soon.

[Korts]

Random thought: I think I've been fairly intent on hunting scum, so a possible reason for someone else other than me being the NK could be that I was on the wrong track. Therefore I'm dropping the case on Grimmy for now.

Reading back, I guess I'm a bit egocentric. But still, the world

does

revolve around me, after all.

[Grimmy]

Reading back, I guess I'm a bit egocentric. But still, the world

does

revolve around me, after all.

Does this mean you really WERE going to vote for yourself before?


Grimmy
just a planet in Korts' solar system

[Grimmy]

Also, a heads up.

I will probably put in my vote for sundays possible lynch on friday before I leave work. Real life duties will probably keep me from the computer this weekend, so ill put my choice in early , just in case.

If I can get to the comp, though, this may change. This is an early warning just to give everyone in the game a heads up from now.

Big Poppa Grimmy

[Korts]

Grimmy
just a planet in Korts' solar system

Mind if I sig this?

Also, thanks for the heads up.

[water_foul]

I'll be doing graduation stuff this weekend so if I am not very responsive that is why

[Shy Guy]

I think we, the players, are at least in part to blame for the lack of claims; if we got a wagon going by a day before deadline

and not hammer until they've claimed

, the person would be able to be around to claim. So, we should try and do that.

Having to claim at lynch -3 is not really that reasonable; I don't blame Phoebus.

I understand how people are saying I would have looked suspicious if Phoebus had turned up scum; I changed my mind on him after leading a charge against him. That's fine. In this game, there is not as much quality content to go on, so yeah I didn't have rock solid reasons for changing my mind and it is a bit unreasonable to expect rock solid reasons, but I understand where the suspicion would have come from.

However, the assertion that because I was *correct* when I changed my mind, then I am scum, is ill founded. I made a hard decision and chose against lynching a player I thought was townie. Saying I am scum for doing that is illogical.

As I said yesterday, I thought Phoebus was less likely to be scum than Grimmy; I don't really think Grimmy is that likely to be scum. I find Korts fairly suspicious, both for his ill founded reasons for finding me suspicious just now, and his play as a whole; in part I unvoted Phoebus because I agreed with him about Korts.

However, what I think, at this point, is the scum might be those sitting in the shadows; it is easy to lurk in such a short game and not be accused of lurking -- but we must be strict.

I want to closely examine these players:

Jenter Brolincani
killa seven
Xanatos Roulette

They are the players I have the least memorable notion of who they were suspicious of, and what they did in this game. I found killa seven's hammer on Phoebus particularly suspicious because he provided no reasoning for it, and hadn't been that interested in Phoebus previously, at least that I can recall off the top of my head.

In a few hours, I'll re-read closely on these players, and post my thoughts. I think one of them is likely the best bet for lynching today.

[Korts]

As I said yesterday, I thought Phoebus was less likely to be scum than Grimmy; I don't really think Grimmy is that likely to be scum. I find Korts fairly suspicious, both for his ill founded reasons for finding me suspicious just now, and his play as a whole; in part I unvoted Phoebus because I agreed with him about Korts.

Actually, I wasn't accusing you just now, I was just going through with a hypothetical situation, as in what would your motives as scum be for unvoting Phoebus. It was meant only as a counterargument against your uncertainty being a towntell.

Anyway, what is it with my play that makes me suspicious?

In a few hours, I'll re-read closely on these players, and post my thoughts. I think one of them [Jenter/killa/XR] is likely the best bet for lynching today.

I'm doing an analysis of Jenter. You do one of the others.

[Shy Guy]

I have real life issues that came up. Expect my analysis within 24 hours.

[killa seven]

i let mr blondes posts influence my vote, i should hammered grimmey like i planned prior. mr blonde made alot of sense tho i wont lie.
and i didnt post a reasoning because it was 2 am and i was on my cell internet and tryna make the deadline for votes.

[Korts]

Shit, I don't have time or energy to thoroughly analyze Jenter. More tomorrow.

[Jenter Brolincani]

Damn, I was, as my sig says, away last night.

OK, killa seven looks rather bad by my book...

PbPa backwards;

i let mr blondes posts influence my vote, i should hammered grimmey like i planned prior. mr blonde made alot of sense tho i wont lie.
and i didnt post a reasoning because it was 2 am and i was on my cell internet and tryna make the deadline for votes.

Right. Fine. So... what WAS your reasoning? We'd sort of like to know, you know. Notably this shifts blame onto the now dead Mr Blonde...

-------------------------- Day Two Ends

vote phoebus

It's the vote, nothing to say as nothing is said, part form THAT nothing is said.

im not lurking im just busy, 12 hour shift today.
im liking a clammy lynch more then phoebus atm.

Clammy was lynched day one... read the frickin' thread. I assume you mean Grimmy, although you post no reasons why.

i find it funny phoebus has let up on korts today after heavily attacking him yesterday.

And going back a bit, an attack on phoebus, contrary to the above.

im here. will re read real fast

And we've seen

so

much evidence of that...

------------------------- Day One Ends

wow this game is moving fast.. the korts wagon is dumb,ive seen him act like this in random stage and turn up town after a bw formed from random stage.

Ok, a slight protectying of Korts on a meta tell, not much to say here.

------------------------ Game Starts


Ok, lurks d1, faffs about a bit d2 and spreads suspicion before helping lynch a townie, then blames it on the innocent dead guy. Nicht Gut.

I'll

vote; killa seven

[Grimmy]

1.) The close vote between the two players. It seemed extremely rushed towards the end. People were jumping on Grimmy or Phoebus left and right. And I wasn't sure if people were making their own choices or listening to what others were telling them. This would be a good time to look over the votes and see who followed and who had some real insight on who to vote for.

Here is what I got from it

The people who voted for me and why

Korts: because he hates bad grammar
seriously though, quite a few peopel voted for me because i voted in a skimming the posts rush, didnt explain my vote, and they took that to be scum behavior. Like I said before, I dont blame them

Phoebus cited thepost where I left the vote as his reason for voting me
[post #xxx is dumb, and careless..]etc.

Waterfoul, however, stated that he will vote for me because "The case against Phoebus slipped away. This can be taken as I jumped higher on the suspicious list due to my rushed vote. Maybe.

Killa Seven: didnt give a reason other than following Mr Blonde's lead.

Shyguy changed his vote because he asked for, and received, a goodenough explanation as to why Phoebus wasnt guilty. And since I was the only one seemed suspicious, he switched his vote to me.
(also note that someone said that Shyguy and Phoebus were covering for each other as scum. With Phoebus known as town after the fact, that throws that arguement out the window.

All in all, seems like everyone voted for me for the saem reason.
I rushed my vote and they took that to say i was summy rather than Imade a mistake by not giving reasons and for skimming the posts.

As of right now, while I have some minor suspicions, I do nto have enough evidence to even point a finger, so I will abstain for now and check this boardbefore I leave to see if anyone has any proof of guilt.

Just in case I do not make it back,

No Lynch

with the holiday coming, this would give us all a chance to gather more info to find some guilt.

grimmy
will probably have more info tomorrow (game time)

[SleepyPanda]

I'm getting more of a townie-lurker vibe rather than a scum vibe from killa.

im not lurking im just busy, 12 hour shift today.
im liking a clammy lynch more then phoebus atm.

I don't know if he honestly meant clammy or grimmy. If he meant clammy, then he really isn't paying attention, which makes me suspect he's less likely to be scum. It really does seem like he was clueless as he goes on to vote Phoebus. Looking at his profile, he's in 5 games or so, as well as trying to get into another game yesterday.

He honestly isn't helping and is probably a good lynch, but I feel he's probably just a bored vanilla townie.

[Grimmy]

I just realized I didnt vote properly

Vote: No Lynch

reasons stated above.

as for your view on Killa...

Im still unsure. But not even unsure enough to point the Pinky Toe of Suspicion.

[killa seven]

I'm getting more of a townie-lurker vibe rather than a scum vibe from killa.

im not lurking im just busy, 12 hour shift today.
im liking a clammy lynch more then phoebus atm.

I don't know if he honestly meant clammy or grimmy. If he meant clammy, then he really isn't paying attention, which makes me suspect he's less likely to be scum. It really does seem like he was clueless as he goes on to vote Phoebus. Looking at his profile, he's in 5 games or so, as well as trying to get into another game yesterday.

He honestly isn't helping and is probably a good lynch, but I feel he's probably just a bored vanilla townie.

lol yea i meant grimmy, i have like 8 games goin, names start gettin all confused.
and i dont know what good a no lynch would do seeing as the mafia will just kill another townie. its better to scum hunt and try and lynch a scumbag.

[donkeyz12212]

Yeah, I don't really know if a No Lynch would be the best step. Would a mafia kill person give us some information?

Like what have we learned about Mr. Blonde who was killed during the night? He didn't favor the Grimmy lynch right?

[Jenter Brolincani]

woops, didn't vote right.

vote killa seven

[Jenter Brolincani]

Also, killa, if you are a townie who just can't be asked, get yourself replaced.

[Korts]

We should review Mr. Blonde's suspects, in order to find out who would have had a motive to kill him.

Going and checking....

He has attacked Jenter basically for being on clammy's wagon without any more reason than him (clammy) being "textbook scum" according to Jenter, XR for lurking, k7 for lurking also. Of this, I think his accusation of Jenter's was the most serious.

Add to this the forthcoming analysis of Jenter I promised, I think it's enough for me to

Vote: Jenter Bronlincani

I know this isn't enough for Jenter to defend himself against, I promise that later today I'll do the analysis.

[Johoohno]

24 hours' notice

Deadline: Sunday 25 May 6:00 AM

Approximately

[/size] (GMT -5 according to forum clock)

[Korts]

The analysis of Jenter isn't going to be a long one, seeing his post count and the fact that his posts are usually one-liners.

Post 1: Game theory. States the obvious:

I agree with SG about proper wagons - we can't afford scumrushes close to dealine... we have only really 3 days (considering we want to stay clear of deadline) to get today done - not long at all, we can't afford to mess around or get stuck in random voting.

Some hint of a connection between SG and Jenter, maybe.

Post 2: apology for lack of posting;

Clammy's play is textbook scumbuddying, and he's not clever enough to get away with it either... Korts I think could still easily be town, but clammy is really, really bad...

Jenter could be buddying up to me, here.

Other points;
- Changes his argument form 'stopping Korts being lynched' to, when pressured, 'I'm far happier with my vote on Phoebus'.
- Keeps saying the case against him is OMGUS without any mention of the points in it.

This is fairly valid.

Post 3:

Stop strawmanning clammy, it does your case no good.

I realize clammy's defense was a bit weak, but instead of pointing out holes in logic, Jenter rejects the defense completely. Vaguely scummy.

Post 4:

Clammy, you have not even touched on your buddying of Korts once in your defence apart from sarcastically taking the piss out of it, blatantly ignoring the main point of the case against you.

What I find strange is that Jenter never even considers me being clammy's partner in the event of clammy turning scum. The implied connection should be enough for me to get a FoS regardless of anything else. Buddying up. Scummy.

Post 5:

The buddying of Korts included in this is a textbook n00b scum move, hence my comment.

See comments to post 4.

However, I find Phoebus' attack on Donkey worryingly daft, for the reasons given by Shy Guy. Scum will want to hold everyone to deadline to give themselves the maximum chance of getting a night action in. They won't want the day ended early.

Deflects suspicion to the most suspected player. From the perspective of Jenter being scum, this could either be buddying, or protecting his partner.

You attack donkey and Korts, but fail to mention anyone else on the wagon, notably M.B. who advocated a fast lynch just before Donkey did one.

Again, deflects suspicion.

Post 6:

Ok, so I've been attakced by 2 people, one had 'something he couldn't put his finger on' - in other words, **** all, and the other was pretty blatant OMGUS - definitely keeping my vote steady at least until we get why my reasons seem 'off' or 'opportunistic'.

I can't find the OMGUS in the isolated posts, since Jenter only accused Phoebus, and Phoebus didn't vote Jenter at all.

Post 7: PBPA of k7. I agree with the points here. k7 is Suspect No. 2 with me. However, it's clear to me, having played with him before, that this is killa's playstyle.

Post 8: corrects vote on k7 (messed up the bold tag in previous post)

Post 9: asks killa to conribute or ask for replacement.

[Korts]

However, I find Phoebus' attack on Donkey worryingly daft, for the reasons given by Shy Guy.

Also, this could be another hint at a SG-Jenter connection.