Mini 589: SSBB Smalltown Mafia (Game Over!)

[iamausername]

I might be killed if I claim my role? Is nobody else afraid for my life?

Not really, no. Clearly, if you're town, you're a dangerous role for anti-town players to leave alive. I can't see that them knowing the exact nature of that danger will have a significant effect on whether or not you're targeted for the NK.

On the other hand, if you're anti-town, it's better for us to force you to either tell us what you're actually doing, or fabricate a fake claim before you can collect a lot of information that could help to make it believable.

I'm pretty sure the advantage of having you claim as mafia/SK greatly outweighs the disadvantage of having you claim as town.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Then to further the randomocity of the random claim order:

I targeted Pit but I'm last in turn order so he was dead before I could absorb him.

[Anatole Kuragin]

EBWOP: After re-reading the rules, it seems I did get the power, nevermind.

I've got Pit's power.

[Gorrad]

Protected Andersonw.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Care to say why?

[Gorrad]

I thought the mafia/SK would go for a 1-shot vig first.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Heh, I always thought One-Shot Vig characters at least this early were usually more harmful to the town. On night one he'd have no idea who was scum and who wasn't. Tracker or Archangel on the other hand...

[Gorrad]

Vote: AK

[Anatole Kuragin]

For pointing out you defended one of the less likely people to be nightkilled? Is this some form of OMGUS?

[Gorrad]

No. 1-shot vigs are a VERY likely N-1 kill in my experience, as scum want to off them before they use their ability. That you don't think that AND the scum don't think that...

Coincidence? I think NOT!

[Anatole Kuragin]

And yet two more useful roles are dead.

Coincidence? I think NOT!

[Anatole Kuragin]

And in your N-1 kill experience, how often have you

known

who was one-shot vig?

[dahill1]

yay for free hotel wireless
i targetted the fonz of course. i'm assuming gob hid with him, but there is always the possibilty of a fonz/gob scumteam, so i'm not trusting him 100% yet. however, that probably isn't likely, but i'm just thinking of all of the possibilites

[dahill1]

EBWOP: i have wireless, but still expect limited access until tuesday

[Gorrad]

Sorry, let me rephrase. If someone claims one-shot vig, it's usually a safe bet they die the next day over almost any other claimed roles.

[andersonw]

I didn't use my ability last night, for the reason that I was pretty sure that I would screw up, since there was a lot of spam day 1.

Right now, I also think that The Fonz is pretty much confirmed.

[goborage]

Targeted The Fonz.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'm sorry if I missed something, what does Ike getting bigger mean?

[dahill1]

I'm sorry if I missed something, what does Ike getting bigger mean?

it means i targetted him as well as someone else

[Anatole Kuragin]

Oh, I see now.

[iamausername]

Sorry, let me rephrase. If someone claims one-shot vig, it's usually a safe bet they die the next day over almost any other claimed roles.

This doesn't really apply to a game where all roles are claimed before the game even starts though. I don't think your AK vote has a lot of substance to it, because I agree that I wouldn't have expected anderson to be NKed.

If neither of our vigs used their kills, it's probably safe to assume ckd was the mafia's kill and Flameaxe the SK's, because the SK's kill is untraceable, so he'd have no reason to off the tracker. Not sure how much it helps us to know this, though.

[Lawrencelot]

I don't agree with Gorrad, but I don't find him scummy for attacking AK either. I don't like AK's behaviour, but sometimes he makes sense. Between Gorrad and AK, I think AK is more likely to be scum, but I don't know yet who I find the scummiest of the others.

Who's turn is it to claim? Well since others didn't follow the order either: I protected the Fonz. He was very protown even before this Night, yet a logical target for scum. Didn't want to protect someone like Flameaxe, because I was less sure about their alignment.

If neither of our vigs used their kills, it's probably safe to assume ckd was the mafia's kill and Flameaxe the SK's, because the SK's kill is untraceable, so he'd have no reason to off the tracker. Not sure how much it helps us to know this, though.

Good catch. I didn't know the SK's kill was untraceable. Still possible that it's the other way around, but let's just assume you're right about this.

[iamausername]

It was your turn to claim anyway, Lawrence, because everyone else who has a night action already had. So we've got everyone's now.

If neither of our vigs used their kills, it's probably safe to assume ckd was the mafia's kill and Flameaxe the SK's, because the SK's kill is untraceable, so he'd have no reason to off the tracker. Not sure how much it helps us to know this, though.

Good catch. I didn't know the SK's kill was untraceable. Still possible that it's the other way around, but let's just assume you're right about this.

Yeah, it's worth giving a thorough readthrough or two to the setup explanations at the beginning of the thread, there's a lot of subtleties you'd miss if you just skimmed. I guess it's possible that the SK missed it himself and didn't realise the tracker was worthless against him, though.

I don't agree with Gorrad, but I don't find him scummy for attacking AK either. I don't like AK's behaviour, but sometimes he makes sense. Between Gorrad and AK, I think AK is more likely to be scum, but I don't know yet who I find the scummiest of the others.

I'd agree with this conclusion based on their D1 posts, but Gorrad seemed to be indicating that his vote had nothing to do with those.

Out of interest, AK, why did you decide that Pit's power was most useful for the town?

[Anatole Kuragin]

I can keep PIs from dying, and I didn't want to waste tracker this early without a good hint at who might be evil.

I guess I expected Samus to be around longer, I still don't understand why a vig was protected over him.

[Xdaamno]

Votecount

Anatole Kuragin: 1

(Gorrad)

Not Voting: 8

(pickemgenius, Lawrencelot, Anatole Kuragin, Dean Harper, dahill1, goborage, andersonw, JamesThePhox)

Player List: pickemgenius, Lawrencelot, Anatole Kuragin, Dean Harper, dahill1, goborage, andersonw, JamesThePhox, Gorrad.

Five (5) to lynch.