Shteven wrote:The Fonz wrote:It seems to me vollkan and armlx have done just fine at stringing you up by your own petard, scum.
And who benefits the most by killing the SK? The mafia. You have also completely ignored dcorbe's valid point of your own inactivity.
You haven't posted for days, yet manage to post 30 minutes after being accused of it?
Here we see the traditional bullshit 'hasn't posted in a while' line. Yes, Shteven, it's TOTALLY scummy of me to post in this game five minutes after I post in another game in New York, during a period of around two hours during which I caught up with about six different games, all of which I'd been neglecting for several days due to RL reasons.
Also, note that at this point in the game, town absolutely has every reason to want to lynch the claimed SK. For starters, lynching the SK in that situation would have been HUGELY beneficial to town. Plus, y'know, the fact that people claiming SK are ALMOST ALWAYS LYING. 90% of SK claims are made by mafia in my experience. That you think an SK claim should make people reconsider... words honestly fail me.
Shteven wrote:
More interesting people:
The Fonz
- Unverified. He's laid low most of the game, posting enough but usually agreeing with established ideas. Look over some of his vote history:
Erm...hang on?
8th on six aces, out of 10.
Means nothing. I voted 6A with my first post after the JG claim. Voting players with claimed guilties on them really is a matter of opportunity rather than position. Are you honestly claiming it matters how early or late you vote in that scenario? Are people who quickly vote in response to a claimed guilty more likely town?
Zero official votes on day 2 - he voted for Kabenon after the 8th and final vote.
True. Though I think, y'know, my posts make clear my thinking on that day. I didn't particularly like the Kab wagon, but was unable to find a better one.
The day 3 spacecase wagon reached 5 votes as of tinvision's 3rd vote count. It remained unchanged on the fourth, fifth, and sixth vote count. On the seventh vote count, The Fonz joined. He does deserve some credit for staying there as other people began to move off the wagon, but it could also suggest he's really trying to keep his voting record to a minimum.
Keeping his vote record to a minimum? What does that even mean? And how would an anti-town player benefit from it? You're attacking me for
not
votehopping? I'll give you one thing, at least it's original.
Day four finds The Fonz making the third vote against Oman(dcorbe). He does manage to post his detailed case before Armlx followed up with his, but armlx and username beat him to voting for him.
Again, 'beat' me to voting him? Is your scumhunting (or imitation thereof) based around some kind of race to see who can vote the scum first? You may note, if I do say so myself, that my vote and case on Oman was a rather pivotal one. Firstly, the vote count was two on Oman and one on dahill (I think) at the time. And dahill was clearly scummy enough to be a viable counterwagon. After I vote, the Oman wagon starts running away, with every man and his dog piling on, using mostly my reasoning as well.
I feel the Fonz is an excellent candidate for the SK - I mostly let it slide yesterday as Dcorbe had claimed the role. He's been helpful yet unprovocative.
Again, what does helpful but unprovocative mean? I've pushed a couple of wagons pretty darn hard. I've also pointed out scummy behaviour everywhere I've seen it,
I mean, I haven't gone apeshit at anyone as of yet. But then, I've not been attacked on bullshit reasons very much, until...well... now.
Also, the kills we found this morning suggest to me that the SK is a skilled player. The mafia were most likely the ones who offed Cipher, as he's only capable of finding mafia players. The SK knew to eliminate one of the confirmed townies due to the town being the dominant faction today. Whoever the SK is, he clearly knows what's in his best interest.
Several problems here.
Numero uno, you were able to conceive of this being the optimal strategy for the SK, so at the very least, it points to you as much as to anyone else.
Secondly, forgive me, but isn't offing confirmed players an incredibly obvious strategy?
[What I would note here is that this does make the SK more likely to be amongst the unconfirmed- it strikes me that a 'confirmed' SK would want to keep plenty of investigated innocents around, in order to provide the mafia with alternative NK targets).
He could also be mafia who knows not to push for lynching his partners but also knows he needs to get on the wagons once they're headed for the gallows anyways.
Except, you know, that this doesn't fit the facts, at all. As I said, Oman's lynch was nowhere near inevitable at the point I made my case, and I see myself as one of the prime pushers of his lynch- and I continued pushing the spacecase wagon after numerous others had jumped off it, and there were multiple other possible wagons (which, indeed, would have exceeded Spacecase's in size had I switched to them).
LaptopGun wrote:
Fonz: He doesn't match up to my previous experiences with him. His play is all over the place, as I said before. I'm getting mixed indicators from both his town and mafia play, which makes me think he's the SK
I believe you've played with me once, in a newbie game, over six months ago? What previous experience
s
? I've played differently to that, sure, but that's because I haven't gotten in a massively heated argument day one.
dahill1 wrote:
and the SK is probably Fonz
Echo cho cho cho....
dahill1 wrote:
however, fonz has a bigger wagon right now, and i don't want to throw any more wagons in at the moment, so
vote The Fonz
No really. How is anyone not voting for dahill after this post? 'I'm voting Fonz because he has the biggest wagon?' Can anyone think of a protown reason for 'not wanting to throw in any more wagons?'
I can't.
Vote: dahill
vollkan wrote:
Given the arguments you make, and MCD's suspicion of Fonz, I am inclined to agree with you here. I'll reread Fonz myself to be sure, but the evidence for SK-Fonz is certainly there.
Well, I happen to think that Shteven's arguments are horrible. I'd appreciate a comment on my rebuttal. Also, note that MCD showed more suspicious of farside and dahill than me (the only thing that could be construed as suspicion of me is asking me about the Kab post-hammer vote. Not sure that this can be seen as scummy, I mean, what's the argument? Fonz as scum wanted to make sure he was seen on a town wagon?)
