Open 53: Near-Vanilla - Game over!

[Eldritch Lord]

Waiting to hear more from Klebian. I'd like to see the votes on him go somewhere, Neko's post is a good argument. Nothing more to add than that, even if I don't like how freely he doles out the FoS'.

[klebian]

will hopefully post today because i'm vla for the next 4-5 days

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

and who said anything about anti-town. I suppose the alignment comment counts for that one... But who said you were voting me? Seriously man you sound paranoid.

Because obviously if I thought you were scum, or anti-town, I'd be voting for you.

[Korlash]

... who said i thought you thought I was anti town?!?!? Dude I am nto afraid of being lynched right now by you or anyone here. If I was theres no way I would have let myself get so far behind. i wouldn't say Im the most pro-town, I wouldnt claim to be the most useful player, but a reason to lynch me I see not.

So i don't get why you ahve to keep insisting you dont think im anti-town and why you have to keep pointing out that your not voting me...

[Hjallti]

killa seven and Shanba

have been prodded.


Vote count

It takes 5 out of 8 to lynch (before June 9th)

TheSweatpantsNinja

: 1 (killa seven)

klebian

: 1 (Eldritch Lord)

Eldritch Lord

: 1 (jtdyer)

Not voting: 5 (TheSweatpantsNinja, Shanba, neko2086, Korlash, klebian)

[killa seven]

im here.
i wanna hear what klebian has to say.
the korlash blow up is kind of strange and out of noi where.

[klebian]

Read day 2 and day 3, will do so more in depth when I have more time.
Here are a few things I noted.
Justin's playstyle- I am not quite sure if this is the same in every game but I noted that he asks many questions (which I know he does across the site) but when people respond, he doesn't follow up. Ever. He will respond to questions you ask him in your own response, but that seems to really be it. I thought this was interesting and will later look into this more.
Another thing: Skitzer's really random/weak votes of TSN yesterday. He gave this: "My views on TSN were negative, but my K7 views were semi positive, therefore I guess the only one I find scummy is TSN.." in 724 but in 680 where he presented these views they were obviously very shallow (I hate to make this comparison but probably with less depth than k7 gives) where he called TSN suspicious because he saw crub as 'distinctly town' (and i think it was skitzer who repeated a few times that crub was never 'helping the game')

Again I will have to look into these things deeper simply when I have the time.
For now- TSN, this is not exactly the best way to disprove your point but I don't always focus on everyone when I post. You are saying that I had said little about skitzer when I was willing to vote him [note that I didn't hammer him]. But, note that I have similarly not said much about you and I don't remember saying much about shanba either. Obviously the skitzer not noticing me is key but I'm just trying to point out that what you noted was not unique on one side.

[neko2086]

Korlash, I already explained what I meant by acting protown:

So, do some rereads, form some opinions, get some concrete evidence, etc.

In all scenarios in which you are town, it does in fact boil down to option 2. If a townie asks for direction, regardless of intent, they are prime target for scum to pull onto a bad bandwagon. This is why townies typically do not ask for direction--they do not want to be taken for a ride and would rather form their own opinions, not ignoring others completely, but still keeping in mind that everyone else's opinion should be carefully considered and scrutinized.

It appears, then, that you may be scum looking for an easy ride through the game without raising suspicions. The fact that you are being so defensive about it isn't helping.

Thank you for sharing your opinions, but examples/evidence would be nice. It seems you still don't have an opinion on everyone, though.


TSN, quick note--
How is this:

I don't suspect el of being scum, I suspect him of being ridiculous.

different from this?:

D1: Klebian says a skitzer post is dumb, but doesn't vote or FoS him.
Later, klebian says a skitzer post is weird, criticizes it, but doesn't vote or FoS him.
D3: Klebian says he doesn't understand a skitzer point about k7.

Your point is well made and it's certainly note-worthy, but can the same thing be said of you and eldritch? Maybe not to the same extent, but looking back, you've only had one minor interaction with justin.

even if I don't like how freely he doles out the FoS'.

I thought they were well thought-out and well-deserved, myself.

[Korlash]

In all scenarios in which you are town, it does in fact boil down to option 2. If a townie asks for direction, regardless of intent, they are prime target for scum to pull onto a bad bandwagon. This is why townies typically do not ask for direction--they do not want to be taken for a ride and would rather form their own opinions, not ignoring others completely, but still keeping in mind that everyone else's opinion should be carefully considered and scrutinized.

Who said anythign about direction. You've played with me before, I may be an idiot but I have deep down fundamental strategies that end up working provided I get lucky >.>

Me asking you what you want to hear from me is simply appeasement on my part. It gets you whatever you want to know while at the same time allows me more time to get back into the game. People say something like appeasement boils down to a scummy actin but I find it quite useful after coming back from a long hiatus, or even sometimes when you are under a lot of unnecessary pressure. In my case it ended up being more about arguing, which also gave me time to get back in. All in all it worked well enough for me.

As far as opinions go, I'll reveal mine when I feel like it.

Your point is well made and it's certainly note-worthy, but can the same thing be said of you and eldritch? Maybe not to the same extent, but looking back, you've only had one minor interaction with justin.

True, but neither Justin/Eldritch or TSN are proven scum are they? So no, the

same

thing cannot be said. A similar, and if more information is revealed, just as valid point can be said... but its no where near as bad as the one TSN brought up.

And, just because I don't feel like dropping it...

So, do some rereads, form some opinions, get some concrete evidence, etc.

... What scum doesn't do rereads at some point? might not be super long ones, but yeah they have to do it too. Form opinions? What scum doesn't have opinions?!?! Concrete evidence... no such thing in this game... well ok an open game I suppose there is such a thing as a cop investigation.. but thats it. How the hell am I suppose to find concrete evidence?!?!? Any town can make a simple mistake that looks like a full blown contradition, partner pairings can never be concrete because the scum could have intentionally made them, its not like I can take DNA samples or anything...

Seriously... "Acting protown" is the EXACT definition of what scum does.. they ACT PROTOWN! so you guys just told me to be scum. Great...

[neko2086]

You've played with me before, I may be an idiot but I have deep down fundamental strategies that end up working provided I get lucky >.>

This made me lol. You were scum when I played with you before.

As far as opinions go, I'll reveal mine when I feel like it.

You appear more and more to have no interest in helping the town today.

This argument about acting pro-town is more than useless here. Suffice it to say that I just want to know whom you suspect and why, emphasis on the why portion.

[Korlash]

This made me lol. You were scum when I played with you before.

aye, and who ended up the victor? thought so...

You appear more and more to have no interest in helping the town today.

apperances can be decieving...

[Eldritch Lord]

unvote

Vote: Korlash

Epic lack of contribution to Town in his last few posts and what essentially amounts to a "I <3 Scum" line. It's a meta yes, but this game doesn't seem to be going anywhere fast so I always have time to unvote.

[Korlash]

Aye you do. But what meta? meta on other people, or meta on me?

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Obviously the skitzer not noticing me is key but I'm just trying to point out that what you noted was not unique on one side.

The skitzer not noticing you is key, yes. Same to everyone else who said "such-and-such hasn't paid attention to such-and-such." That may be true, but skitzer's the player who flipped scum.

Korlash: I'm not entirely clear why one comment about not acting pro-town has provoked such a storm, but when you say this:

So yoru saying RL stuff factors into alignment?

That sort of implies that you think I'm saying your scum, and since I wasn't saying that, I said so.

[Korlash]

Well i didn't mean to imply anything so I suppose we can agree to disagree.

>.>

[Shanba]

I quite like kleb's last post on TSN.

Apologies, I'm in a rush, I'm on limited access for a while.

[neko2086]

Korlash, are you being intentionally useless? Is that your "fundamental strategy?"

Klebian, K7, I had questions for you on the last page that haven't been answered.

[Korlash]

*looks at neko*

i'm not being useless. In fact i'm being the most protown right now. ^^

And no phising for my strategy!

>.>

<.<

[jtdyer]

Neko, you were right when you said that gut isn't a good argument for convincing people, so

unvote

. I don't see Korlash as being scum, he just seems to be goofing off a little, which seems natural, but not scummy (Korlash, if you are scum, I hope that comment doesn't get my lynched). I'm not sure who to vote for, and don't want to just vote for someone because of my instincts, because according to Neko that isn't smart. I was a little suspicious of TSN the first couple days, there were a lot of accusations flying his way, and he didn't seem to be defending himself super well. But I think he did a better job of defending himself in day 3, so I wouldn't be ready to vote for him. I'm not sure about Klebian. I could agree a little with lynching him, but couldn't point to any direct reason why, so a vote for him would be contradictory, right?

When you guys reread the thread, do you start at the beginning, or how do you do it?

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Beginning, inevitably getting bored and skimming through the middle, then concentrating on the last page of the game.

I mean I read beginning to end every single post thoroughly and take meticulous notes.

[Korlash]

I just pick the people I think need a reread and read them in solo...

[klebian]

Korlash, are you being intentionally useless? Is that your "fundamental strategy?"

Klebian, K7, I had questions for you on the last page that haven't been answered.

Realized this and would've answered this in my last post if I had time. Just posting to let you know that I am back home and will be responding and elaborating later, today or tomorrow.

[Hjallti]

In about six days night will fall in any case. Although everyone played since the last vote count, the game is very sloppy. It is up to you guys to play the game.


Vote count

It takes 5 out of 8 to lynch (before June 9th)

TheSweatpantsNinja

: 1 (killa seven)

Korlash

: 1 (Eldritch Lord)

Not voting: 6 (TheSweatpantsNinja, Shanba, neko2086, Korlash, klebian, jtdyer)

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Vote klebian.

I thought I already was, but in any case, he remains the obvious next play after skitzer's flip.

[Hjallti]

I removed jtdyers vote (I missed his unvote) and added the last vote,

which might have been there already

which was not there before. Please check the vote counts.

Vote count

It takes 5 out of 8 to lynch (before June 9th)

TheSweatpantsNinja

: 1 (killa seven)

Korlash

: 1 (Eldritch Lord)

klebian

: 1 (TheSweatpantsNinja)

Not voting: 5 (Shanba, neko2086, Korlash, klebian, jtdyer)