Mini 589: SSBB Smalltown Mafia (Game Over!)

[Anatole Kuragin]

Perhaps you should go ahead and remove your OMGUS vote so we can get down to business.

[Gorrad]

Not OMGUS.

[iamausername]

Perhaps you should go ahead and remove your OMGUS vote so we can get down to business.

I'm pretty sure it's perfectly possible for us to 'get down to business' regardless of the fact that Gorrad is voting for you.

I'm gonna

vote: andersonw

, because he's contributed absolutely nothing of substance besides a "my scumbuddy is a good lynch, but I'm not going to vote for him" post.

[dahill1]

Perhaps you should go ahead and remove your OMGUS vote so we can get down to business.

I'm pretty sure it's perfectly possible for us to 'get down to business' regardless of the fact that Gorrad is voting for you.

I'm gonna

vote: andersonw

, because he's contributed absolutely nothing of substance besides a "my scumbuddy is a good lynch, but I'm not going to vote for him" post.

good catch. he basically just did what SSK did to AK

[The Fonz]

No. 1-shot vigs are a VERY likely N-1 kill in my experience, as scum want to off them before they use their ability. That you don't think that AND the scum don't think that...

Coincidence? I think NOT!

That we had two very obvious scum targets in the doc and the sole investigative role, three protections in play, both scum kills hit the obvious targets, and neither one was protected? Coincidence? I THINK NOT!

See, two can play that game.

Let me phrase this as politely as I can:

If you are town, then the one-shot vig is pretty much the worst protection choice possible.

Let us exclude me (since I told protective roles specifically that they must not target me) and Lawrencelot (since targetting him is, well, pointless. If the scum choose to NK him, his role has done its job).

That leaves

Doc
Tracker
Role Absorber
Death Stump
Hunter
one-shot vig
Poisoner

It seems to me fairly obvious that the top three stand out by miles and miles as the most useful roles, and therefore the best choices for protection. There was a reason I included the one-shot vig amongst the list of 'not very useful roles' who should be considered for Pika-ing.

The one-shot vig role is one which is much more useful to scum than town (consider a free scum NK, which could potentially give the town one less lynch before LyLo, versus a shot in the dark by a town player holding that role).

Your vote, Gorrad, is a pure omgus, and your insistence that thinking that way makes AK more likely scum is ludicrous. That was my first thought- '
That's an indefensible protection choice.'

Your insistence that 1-shot vigs are usually killed quickly also phails horribly. Do one-shot vigs normally die before claimed doctors in your experience? Seriously?

However, reflection leads me to think it's not necessarily scummy on your part. For one, if you were the scum killer, you'd have come up with a better lie imho. If you were not, then there's no reason you wouldn't target the most obvious choice that you weren't killing.

HINT: tonight is roleblock night.

On the subject of me being confirmed or not-

I'd say I am, on these grounds.

If Gob is town, he is telling the truth about targetting me.

If dahill targets me and no-one else does, this means that I would be poisoned, and Gob would be outed as scum for failing to live up to his promise. So for Gob as scum to get away with not targetting me, he'd need his buddy to target me instead. I don't think he'd gamble on someone not aligned with him targetting me when i said very specifically that no-one beyond gob and dahill should target their target.

But if he has a buddy to target me, it's obviously not me!

Tonight, we should repeat the Gob trick on either PEG or Iam. These are a couple of roles that are very valuable if we can somehow confirm them, but not if we can't, and losing them at this stage doesn't hurt much. Not going to put anderson in the running, since I think he's a viable lynch choice today.

1. PEG
2. iamausername

So, here goes:

Original Roll String: 1d2

1 2-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

[The Fonz]

dahill and Gob should target

iamausername

.

[andersonw]

Perhaps you should go ahead and remove your OMGUS vote so we can get down to business.

I'm pretty sure it's perfectly possible for us to 'get down to business' regardless of the fact that Gorrad is voting for you.

I'm gonna

vote: andersonw

, because he's contributed absolutely nothing of substance besides a "my scumbuddy is a good lynch, but I'm not going to vote for him" post.

I didn't vote for MafiaSSK because 1. I don't usually like hammering unless if I'm over 95% sure, 2. This quote by The Fonz:

Gimme a day or two.

With my being very likely to die overnight, I want to make sure i've said everything i can think of.

He told dahill that he wanted to wait a little bit before hammering to say everything he wanted to say, so I didn't want to hammer MafiaSSK.
and 3. I had to post something since I was prodded. I didn't really have anything new to discuss, so I just wanted to say that I thought MSSK was an OK lynch with me.

[Xdaamno]

goboarage

has been prodded, as he hasn't posted for around 72 hours.

[pickemgenius]

Gorrad is a fine lynch atm.

[goborage]

Sorry I'm here. I'm OK with targeting iamausername.

[The Fonz]

What are your thoughts on the scumminess or otherwise of other players in the game?

[goborage]

Gorad atm. Votes with no explanation and protects a vig over doc or cop.

[Gorrad]

Care to point out said votes without explanation?

[The Fonz]

Yeah, to be fair, Gorrad gave a reason.

It was a crap reason.

But still.

[dahill1]

To be honest, I could still go for an AK lynch today because I was sensing an AK-SSK connection a bit yesterday. As for Gorrad, I agree that it wasn't the best protection choice but I can't tell yet if he was protecting the vig to benefit the mafia, or because of his personal opinion.

[iamausername]

I didn't vote for MafiaSSK because 1. I don't usually like hammering unless if I'm over 95% sure, 2. This quote by The Fonz:

Gimme a day or two.

With my being very likely to die overnight, I want to make sure i've said everything i can think of.

He told dahill that he wanted to wait a little bit before hammering to say everything he wanted to say, so I didn't want to hammer MafiaSSK.

OK.

and 3. I had to post something since I was prodded. I didn't really have anything new to discuss, so I just wanted to say that I thought MSSK was an OK lynch with me.

Not OK. Why do you think you didn't you have anything new to discuss? Why haven't you discussed anything besides my vote on you in this post?

[Lawrencelot]

At the moment Gorrad and AK are at the top of my scumlist.

Mod, can we get a votecount please?

. I'll vote one of these two later, but I need to check which one is more scummy.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Why is AK scummier than Gorrad, who obviously protected a crap role so his friends could kill the good ones?

[Anatole Kuragin]

EBWOP: Or at least on the same level as Gorrad.

[The Fonz]

. As for Gorrad, I agree that it wasn't the best protection choice but I can't tell yet if he was protecting the vig to benefit the mafia, or because of his personal opinion.

No please, be more wishy-washy.

Why is AK scummier than Gorrad, who obviously protected a crap role so his friends could kill the good ones?

Well, I don't think you're scummy (the manner in which SSK tried to shift suspicion onto you to save his own hide yesterday counts somewhat in your favour). But consider this: if Gorrad is scum, he is free to lie in order to make his 'protection' seem as plausible as possible, whilst still being ineffective. That he declared such an obviously stupid protection target indicates to me that there's a very good chance it was genuine.

On the other hand, we have someone who declared possibly the most obvious player who wasn't targetted.

I have a rather strong feeling that the big coincidence was Lawrence targetting me, and the scum not, after I'd insisted that no-one protect me.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Eh, I was directing that towards Lawrence.

[The Fonz]

I know. But it was an interesting point, and I felt I had something worthwhile to say on it, 'kay? IE, why I don't think Gorrad is that suspicious.

[Gorrad]

Gone to A-Kon until late Sunday/mid monday

[Lawrencelot]

I find AK scummy for his behaviour, and Gorrad for his action.

@The Fonz: where did you insist that no one should target you again? I think I missed it. However, you did insist that I should use my action. I was the most sure about you being town, for the others there was too much uncertainty. And if I should use my action, I'd rather use it on the one who's the most protown instead of the most useful role.

[The Fonz]

No, I'm not saying you should target Gob. I'm saying you should target the SAME PLAYER AS Gob. If both you and Gob target the same player, that player should be announced as growing in the morning, and Gob will either be living, if that player's town, or dead, if that player's scum. If you do, and he doesn't, then that player will wake up coughing, and we'll know Gob is scum. If someone else, or no-one, wakes up coughing, we'd know you're scum. If Gob dies, we know the target is scum, and if Gob lives and the target grows, we know that the target is town, and neither of you is the mafia killer.

Note: this relies on no-one else targetting Gob/Dahill's target.