As there are 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
You have
this one?In post 20, tris wrote:It's the same reasoning as last game.
this is kinda townie actuallyIn post 47, insomnia wrote:First statement implies - another player is scum reading someone for something, so i’ll hop on as well
Second statement implies - I have a reason for voting Baesu myself, so I’ll hop on
How is that not a huge difference? He’s stacking in rvs and advocating a potential mislynch without any reasons for voting.
I just didn’t like the sheep, you can wagon Baesu if you want
ngl this kinda feels like you're trying to redirect gl's attention off of your meh rvs entrance onto elbirn's meh rvs entrance
i kinda disagree; in the very beginning of the game i think it's important to start generating useful info as soon as possible in order to move teh game post rvs, and this often happens by forming wagons and seeing who is willing to jump on to what.In post 64, insomnia wrote:RVS = random voting stage ???
Ummm yeah? This is why I don’t scum hunt in RVS. This is why I vote people who stack up in rvs, especially without stating a reason for it
idk if scum!tris goes out of her way to meta beazu's past games in order to justify a p3 unvoteIn post 72, tris wrote:I took a look at some of Baezu's games, and her RVS's there seem pretty consistent with how she was here. Even sometimes when there was more relevant content to react to. UNVOTE:
so based on 80, i think that *insomnia* thinks that votes should be used to pressure people - he initially voted roster to pressure him over his beazu vote, but once the convo had moved on from there, he felt like his vote wasn't really doing much useful in that context, and moved off. i don't think that looked at from this pov the backing off is particularly suspiciousIn post 83, tris wrote:Maybe I was speaking to strong; looking back it does seem a bit more in line with how he was posting before, but it's the sudden backing off of his push on roster, and out of a discussion which at this point was definitely not RVS anymore.
why are you incredulous about this?In post 95, Elbirn wrote:You meta'd someone on page 3 about their RVS behavior?
In post 97, Invisibility wrote:VOTE: insomnia haha lolIn post 43, insomnia wrote:Stacking votes in rvs on someone without posts is scummy tho
Plus, he mentioned “The Lion is onto something” not “I agree with GL’s read”, huge difference.VOTE: insomnia haha lol
both of these are atrocious
this is kinda townieIn post 104, rosterfoster wrote:It was L-2 I think.Normally I would be ok with it but the pressure isn't going to do anything.
... that *was* the reason for insomnia's vote?In post 111, Elbirn wrote:Rooster had a weird entry to the thread and I dont know why THAT wasnt the reason for insomnia's vote.
ngl 46 kinda read to me as a bit buddying-yIn post 118, GuiltyLion wrote:well at this point he has explicitly stated that he did:
???? he's the towniest person in the thread rn
i don't see ofrhz or rooster rnIn post 120, MariaR wrote:Insomnia and ofrhz are town.
Rooster is towny
Invisibility is a valid vote as well
hm well, that was easy.
why
ok, why do you think gl's bs'ing on this read?In post 133, Elbirn wrote:I'm asking you why you're townreading Rooster, because I'm trying to sort *you*. As it stands I think you're bullshitting,
vizzy you're kinda pinging me as scum rnIn post 134, Invisibility wrote:who is the other valid voteIn post 120, MariaR wrote:Insomnia and ofrhz are town.
Rooster is towny
Invisibility is a valid vote as well
hm well, that was easy.
A few of GL’s pushes come off as a bit reachy so far. This quote is good exampleIn post 137, GuiltyLion wrote: also unpack this for me: what do you think the interactions are between rooster and I, S-T or S-S?
like
- do you think we're scum together and we decided to open with him sheeping me, then us mutually agreeing it was a good vote? why is that likely, especially considering how unlikely it is a priori that we're both scum?
- do you think he's scum sheeping misguided town!me?
- do you think I'm scum and he's the misguided town? in which case your reasons for scumreading him were wrong to begin with?
I'm not really seeing which of any of these makes sense from a town!you.
Is this a relatively recent change to your playstyle? I've played with you once (Trapped modded by mutantdevle), and I remember you being more open about explaining your townreads there.In post 118, GuiltyLion wrote:I'm not interested in giving reasons for my townread
I really didn't like the way Elbirn slid from roster to me. Either his scumread on roster was bad or his scumread on me is bad. Or both.In post 154, ofrhz wrote: At this point in the game, it’s fairly common for people to focus on coming up with independent scumreads (and for these scumreads to change later) and not really think about partners or the scumteam together. With this in mind, I don't see why the two bolded lines can't make sense?
This push seems reasonable on a superficial level but doesn't come off as arguing in good faith
nah, I can quote many posts extensively in past games where I say the exact same thing as town.In post 155, ofrhz wrote:Is this a relatively recent change to your playstyle? I've played with you once (Trapped modded by mutantdevle), and I remember you being more open about explaining your townreads there.In post 118, GuiltyLion wrote:I'm not interested in giving reasons for my townread
This is what I said when you asked me in that game.In post 152, skitter30 wrote:this one?In post 20, tris wrote:It's the same reasoning as last game.
Spoiler:
i could've have sworn that we had a convo about this post last game but i skimmed the first seven pages or so of that game and i can't find your reasoning for it; were you reaction testing there?
if that's what you were doing here did you get any reads out of it?
To me it feels more like trying to understand Gl's read on her by asking about a similar case.ngl this kinda feels like you're trying to redirect gl's attention off of your meh rvs entrance onto elbirn's meh rvs entrance
I think I might. But, I haven't had experience as scum that counts for much, so I don't know.idk if scum!tris goes out of her way to meta beazu's past games in order to justify a p3 unvoteIn post 72, tris wrote:I took a look at some of Baezu's games, and her RVS's there seem pretty consistent with how she was here. Even sometimes when there was more relevant content to react to. UNVOTE:
Yeah, I've come around on this.so based on 80, i think that *insomnia* thinks that votes should be used to pressure people - he initially voted roster to pressure him over his beazu vote, but once the convo had moved on from there, he felt like his vote wasn't really doing much useful in that context, and moved off. i don't think that looked at from this pov the backing off is particularly suspiciousIn post 83, tris wrote:Maybe I was speaking to strong; looking back it does seem a bit more in line with how he was posting before, but it's the sudden backing off of his push on roster, and out of a discussion which at this point was definitely not RVS anymore.
What's scum about that?vizzy you're kinda pinging me as scum rnIn post 134, Invisibility wrote:who is the other valid voteIn post 120, MariaR wrote:Insomnia and ofrhz are town.
Rooster is towny
Invisibility is a valid vote as well
hm well, that was easy.
I don't think this is fair on day 1. People can be independently scummy.In post 158, GuiltyLion wrote: If he's not thinking about associatives between his two scumreads he's not really playing the game.especiallyas he's moving from one to another
Re: the push on Baezu - I think someone else mentioned earlier that they though Baezu's entrance was more null (i.e. "lacked town") and not really scummy, which is kind of what I thought as well. GL later said this wasn't a strong scumread though, so I don't really want to overanalyze thisIn post 157, skitter30 wrote:he's thinking a lot of the things i'm thinking as i was reading through the thread (specifically posts like 40, 44, the bit about tris in 142
i like that he's reaching out to other people and how he was trying to push the game out of rvs (as evidenced by his push on beazu for a lack of early-game contributions)
I'm not really seeing the bolded? I think he stated a tr on roster and tris, but I'm not sure about forming towncores or even starting toa lot of the things he's saying has the underlying current of trying to progress the game and to get people to articulate reads andto start forming towncoresand it just feels to me like he's trying to get the game into a ~cohesive / game-solving-conducive~ gamestate
I see scum motivation in this though. What did you think of my 154?i don't agree with all of his pushes (like, say, the bit where he was pushing mariar for not townreading tris even though her townreads were townreading her; that's a silly reason to expect someone to townread someone at this stage)but i think he's def approachign this with a townie/solve-y mindset
Yeah, I think this one of GL's more dubious cases.In post 154, ofrhz wrote:A few of GL’s pushes come off as a bit reachy so far. This quote is good exampleIn post 137, GuiltyLion wrote: also unpack this for me: what do you think the interactions are between rooster and I, S-T or S-S?
like
- do you think we're scum together and we decided to open with him sheeping me, then us mutually agreeing it was a good vote? why is that likely, especially considering how unlikely it is a priori that we're both scum?
- do you think he's scum sheeping misguided town!me?
- do you think I'm scum and he's the misguided town? in which case your reasons for scumreading him were wrong to begin with?
I'm not really seeing which of any of these makes sense from a town!you.
At this point in the game, it’s fairly common for people to focus on coming up with independent scumreads (and for these scumreads to change later) and not really think about partners or the scumteam together. With this in mind, I don't see why the two bolded lines can't make sense?
This push seems reasonable on a superficial level but doesn't come off as arguing in good faith
VOTE: GuiltyLion
This is fair. I think the bolded is the difference from the situations that arose in Trapped that I was originally thinking ofIn post 158, GuiltyLion wrote:there's a time and a place for explaining townreads, but whenan early scumread is trying to poke holes in your townread on another player- another player who is not really under major scrutiny or lynch pressure - that is not the time.
i am trying to form towncoresIn post 160, ofrhz wrote:I'm not really seeing the bolded? I think he stated a tr on roster and tris, but I'm not sure about forming towncores or even starting to
fair enough but idk if scum!you then goes and highlights that doing so might be in scumrange when you're getting townreads for it soIn post 159, tris wrote:I think I might. But, I haven't had experience as scum that counts for much, so I don't know.
nothing in particular about that post so much as when i read that post i realized that holistically his posts were scumpingign meIn post 159, tris wrote:What's scum about that?
i've seen more than once scum entering a game in rvs by lol-throwing down a vote and not engaging with already-existing content; it's a lot easier to make a random vote (and attribute it to rvs when asked!) than to actually engage with things as scum, and i've caught scum on this before (actually i think you were in one of those games - brass's pick your poison last year; i caught scioness saff there with that); all of beazu's, elbirn's, and enigma's entrances kinda fit that category for me, so i can understand gl's thought process there. i agree that it isn't inherently a particularly strong reason to scumread at this stage but i liked the push on p2; it was indicative of trying to get the game moving out of rvsIn post 160, ofrhz wrote:Re: the push on Baezu - I think someone else mentioned earlier that they though Baezu's entrance was more null (i.e. "lacked town") and not really scummy, which is kind of what I thought as well. GL later said this wasn't a strong scumread though, so I don't really want to overanalyze this
idk if he's been like explicitly forming a townbloc but the way he responded to mariar *not* forming a townbloc in the way he expects/wants to happen implies that he thinks that this is something townies should be doing now. and he's kinda doing it himself - he's townreading tris and pushing people who aren't (mariar, elbirn)In post 160, ofrhz wrote:I'm not really seeing the bolded? I think he stated a tr on roster and tris, but I'm not sure about forming towncores or even starting to
ftr not scumreading GL for this, since it's still early, but i'm not seeing how this is a valid reason to townread him.
idkIn post 165, Invisibility wrote:skitter what the heck dude why is bad for me to say haha lol haha lol
also
can someone convince me to move my vote
How do you feel about the current wagons?