Mafia 78: Meta Breaking Mafia 1 - Game over!

[Gorrad]

Gone to A-Kon until late Sunday/mid monday

[Surye]

Hmm... after reading silent in isolation, he actually comes off as quite town to me. I'm still looking at Elias.

[Surye]

Tar, shaft.ed, and silent are top on my town list right now. Kison and peg are pretty close on that list too.

Top scum suspects are Elias, Gorrad(SK), and TS.

Neutral on MM, don't really like his activity level though.

[Gorrad]

PEG, you've seen me as scum in WEM Mafia. Do you honestly believe that I'd claim what I did as a SK? No. I'd claim something outlandish, cool, and a lot less obvious than Overeager Vig.

[Surye]

PEG, you've seen me as scum in WEM Mafia. Do you honestly believe that I'd claim what I did as a SK? No. I'd claim something outlandish, cool, and a lot less obvious than Overeager Vig.

Scummy use of selfmeta imo.

[Surye]

PEG, you've seen me as scum in WEM Mafia. Do you honestly believe that I'd claim what I did as a SK? No. I'd claim something outlandish, cool, and a lot less obvious than Overeager Vig.

Not to mention backing down on his position that he should die, and appealing to someone not participating in that discussion at all.

[Guardian]

Vote Count #35

Gorrad[3]: (Tarhalindur, Toaster Strudel, Gorrad)
the silent speaker[1] (shaft.ed)


Not Voting[6]: (Kison, the silent speaker, pickemgenius, elias_the_thief, Machiavellian-Mafia, Surye)

[shaft.ed]

The tell for the silent speaker is much more in what he didn't say than what he did.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

As indicated by my sig, I will be on vacation until Sunday.

[Surye]

Mod: Can we get a prod on Elias?

Been a week since we heard from him, and 5 days since he said he'd be here.

[pickemgenius]

PEG, you've seen me as scum in WEM Mafia. Do you honestly believe that I'd claim what I did as a SK? No. I'd claim something outlandish, cool, and a lot less obvious than Overeager Vig.

oh hi.

it appears you've talked to me.

I would think that you are clever enough to do either one.



p.s. you were cult in WEM

[Elias_the_thief]

I'm here.

[Surye]

I'm here.

Then you can answer why you preferred a nolynch to a rosso lynch yesterday?

[shaft.ed]

PEG, you've seen me as scum in WEM Mafia. Do you honestly believe that I'd claim what I did as a SK? No. I'd claim something outlandish, cool, and a lot less obvious than Overeager Vig.

oh hi.

it appears you've talked to me.

I would think that you are clever enough to do either one.



p.s. you were cult in WEM

I might consider lynching PEG. The sheer purity of his uselessness is bordering on an art form.

And Elias please try harder, your performance has been weak today.

[Tarhalindur]

I just stepped back, reread, and did the math.

Unvote

- it is in Gorrad's best interest to allow the town to direct his kill, it is in our best interest to keep the second kill in play until tomorrow (maximizes the number of town-directed kills). Keeping him alive tomorrow, however, is not an option.

Also, I suspect that we have either 1 or 1.5 Mafia left (1.5 would be due to something like Mafia Traitor or Judas), just based on game balance. Two surviving scum would require a TON of power roles.

Towndar:
Tar - well, no shit, Sherlock!
Surye - not worth looking into the masons yet, that will have to be dealt with closer to endgame.
shaft.ed - after yesterday, I suspect that I will have to eat some crow about him.
pickem - play here looks like how he plays as town lately.

Town or SK:
Gorrad - reasons should be obvious.

Scumdar:
TS - I didn't like farside. Farside was Chainsaw Defended by Adel using an appeal to emotion (the "she's a new mother" defense - partially valid, but not completely exculpatory). TS was not on the Rosso wagon (granted, neither was I, but there was a reason for that: I was planning to investigate Rosso prior to his lynch). I concluded at the end of my latest read that in all probability exactly one of shaft.ed and TS (rep. farside) is scum. I'm pretty sure that shaft.ed is town after all.

Vote: Toaster Strudel

Elias - heavy, heavy Chainsaw Defense for Adel (a known scum). Has been largely inactive otherwise. Lurkerscum?
MM - Defended farside on the same reasons that Adel did. FoS'ed Rosso Carne out of what seems to be thin air, then voted him at deadline. If there is a non-Mafia mafia-aligned role, I'd say he's it.
TSS - No votes during the entire game. Largest post was pure setup speculation. That's IIoA, folks.
Kison - I don't like the vig speculation, and he made a few big summary posts (I consider summarizing game events to be a moderate scumtell). On the other hand, some of his posts do look fairly pro-town (esp. mid D2). Weakest scum read.

[Elias_the_thief]

See: RL problems. I'm back now, but I cant get caught up in all my games at once. Got caught up on the one I'm modding and the mini im in today. I'll get to this at some point, but not today.

[the silent speaker]

I have too voted. I'm aware that I haven't been playing all that deeply in this game, but I haven't been quite as bad as you're making me out to be.

Besides, the "keep Gorrad alive, one day only" plan which you're now endorsing was my idea. If I were scum, would I have lost anything by keeping my mouth shut?

What's IIoA?

[Tarhalindur]

I have too voted. I'm aware that I haven't been playing all that deeply in this game, but I haven't been quite as bad as you're making me out to be.

Besides, the "keep Gorrad alive, one day only" plan which you're now endorsing was my idea. If I were scum, would I have lost anything by keeping my mouth shut?

What's IIoA?

*raises eyebrow*

You were the fourth person on my scumdar (which was listed in order of scumminess). That's a bit of an overreaction there.

1) I stand corrected, you have voted twice (one for first CoolBot wagon, one random vote). That's still a pretty glaring lack of votes, though.

2) WIFOM.

3) When an unexplained acronym appears in a post of mine, it is often wise to check the link in my sig.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

MM - Defended farside on the same reasons that Adel did. FoS'ed Rosso Carne out of what seems to be thin air, then voted him at deadline. If there is a non-Mafia mafia-aligned role, I'd say he's it.

I see your "thin air" comment as a misrepresentation. During one of my rereads yesterday I found Rosso to be as scummy as PEG since they were both severe non-contributors. Also I remember a couple of other players express suspicions about Rosso before I did.

[shaft.ed]

Besides, the "keep Gorrad alive, one day only" plan which you're now endorsing was my idea. If I were scum, would I have lost anything by keeping my mouth shut?

I can concede that point, although it's likely one we might have arrived at eventaully without your input.

What I'd like to know is why did you not put up a post during the Rosso bandwagon?

[Gorrad]

Unvote, Vote: Tar.

It seems we're going with a directed kill. I'm cool with that. Let's get to scumlynching.

[Kison]

Tar, not sure wtfrak is scummy about me discussing the chainsawing. We're trying to gage Gorrad, after all.

I think I get PEG.

On the Gorrad situation, he's either the SK or Town. He did well proving he has a kill at his disposal. So, if he's Town, he won't defect from where we direct his kill. If he's an SK, we lynch him once he

does

defect. This'll keep his kill at our disposal until we decide he's to go. I know I'm not the first one to bring this up. Just typing this to work it through my neural circuits. I like the idea. Defection = lynch. Of course once we think we're close to Lylo, and if we still disbelieve his claim, we can also get rid of him. ATM I think we're in a fairly decent position.

Tarhalindur - I disagree with a lot of his voting logic(wtf @ his day two vote on me). Also, this is so wrong :

I want a lynch, but I do NOT want a Rosso lynch (Rosso is acting like Rosso, who would be better off being investigated and/or vigged, and appears to be inactive to boot). I strongly believe that there are multiple mafia on that wagon (probably shaft.ed and Kison).

In the interests of getting a lynch,

Unvote

Not only does he unvote & avoid the Rosso Carne lynch(actively), he seems sold on me being scum here, but a few posts prior to the one I'm currently typing, seems to be fairly neutral on me. Why the change of heart?

Vote : Tarhalindur

TSS - who's the scum?

Here's a question for Surye : If I recall correctly, you said you and your mason pal weren't confirmed Town. Since this is meta-breaking, have you two discussed the possibility that one of you are scum? I'd personally say mafia-town mason pairs are less conventional than town-town.

[the silent speaker]

You were the fourth person on my scumdar (which was listed in order of scumminess). That's a bit of an overreaction there.

Possibly, but better that than an underreaction, neh? For me

and

you.

What I'd like to know is why did you not put up a post during the Rosso bandwagon?

Because it built up on a Friday afternoon.

TSS - who's the scum?

Pending a detailed reread, farside. Maybe Elias after that. I think indications indicate that Mach is not maf.

Gorrad, Kison, why are you voting to lynch the claimed cop?

[Kison]

Shit, forgot he claimed cop.

Unvote

[Surye]

Here's a question for Surye : If I recall correctly, you said you and your mason pal weren't confirmed Town. Since this is meta-breaking, have you two discussed the possibility that one of you are scum? I'd personally say mafia-town mason pairs are less conventional than town-town.

We have discussed it a bit, but the discussion essentially came down to a WIFOM, and we're just assuming we're town until we have reason to expect otherwise.