Mafia 78: Meta Breaking Mafia 1 - Game over!

[Surye]

I'm not sure what to take from this, but I suspect there might scum in this quarel, both are using loose logic and overreacting in turn.

Kison: His point I believe is that when you voted him, we are to assume it's a researched, well thought out vote. By you forgetting he was a cop, it makes the vote look more targeted and oppertunistic.

[shaft.ed]

And since when did FoS's become such a big deal to you? You're pushing on that FoS as if it were an L-2 vote.

Well, like I said, your FoS seems fairly hefty because of the line proceeding it, and I don't get that since I don't view what I did as very indicative of me being scum. Mildly suspicious, perhaps.

I

think

Kison

may

have outed himself with that slip up.

Did you not notice the double quilifier usage? I certainly wasn't saying "lynch Kison now he's obv scum." I found it curious you could get a detailed post like that up, but overlook the simple fact he claimed cop. Not notable in and of itself but following a similar errant vote before it, I felt you were building on what you perceived as momentum.

[Guardian]

Vote Count #37

Gorrad[1]: (Toaster Strudel)
the silent speaker[1]: (shaft.ed)
Toaster Strudel[1]: (Tarhalindur)
shaft.ed[1]: (Gorrad)


Not Voting[6]: (the silent speaker, pickemgenius, elias_the_thief, Machiavellian-Mafia, Surye, Kison)

[Kison]

Did you not notice the double quilifier usage? I certainly wasn't saying "lynch Kison now he's obv scum."

Obviously it's not the level of certainty, otherwise you'd have voted me. It's that what I did being interpreted as possibly

outing myself as scum

does not compute. I like Surye's explanation. But I agree we(and probably mainly because of me) have dragged this out far too long.

[Surye]

Well, we seem rather nowhere right now other then walking on eggshells about Gorrad's fate. I still like the idea of an Elias wagon.

Vote: Elias

I want to push some stuff out of him.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

I currently like PEG, TS, and Elias as scum candidates, in that order, since they have all been pretty much nonexistent in terms of contributing, especially recently. I'll jump on TS wagon and pressure him.

Vote: TS

[shaft.ed]

In the interest of moving things along

unvote vote: Elias

[Toaster Strudel]

unvote, vote: Elias

[shaft.ed]

TS is a much better wagon IMO

uvote, vote:ToasterStrudel

[Surye]

TS is a much better wagon IMO

uvote, vote:ToasterStrudel

I can live with that, she jumped on the Elias wagon without a word, and I already stated that I find her scum-likely. Maybe this will get us some answers (but I would like to return to Elias at some point, I don't want him to get off that easy).

Unvote, Vote: ToasterStrudel

[shaft.ed]

TS is a much better wagon IMO

uvote, vote:ToasterStrudel

I can live with that, she jumped on the Elias wagon without a word, and I already stated that I find her scum-likely. Maybe this will get us some answers (but I would like to return to Elias at some point, I don't want him to get off that easy).

Unvote, Vote: ToasterStrudel

I agree, but DGB has been more active across site than Elias so her lurking is less obliged.

[Kison]

Well, we still have the SK/Vigilante so theoretically he should be able to off our 2nd choice. Elias ain't a bad choice - Day one hard pushing on Surye even after the wagon had died down.

Elias, TSS & Toaster Strudel are the best three picks for today.

Vote : Toaster Strudel

Gorrad, if you kill anyone without town consensus, you're dead.

[Kison]

- shaft.ed
- Machiavellian-Mafia
- Pickem Genius

Would be my lower tier lynch candidates in that order. Of course pending what we do with Gorrad.

[the silent speaker]

FOS: Toaster Strudel

Consider this the equivalent of a vote that doesn't want to hammer until Toaster has had a chance to respond.

[shaft.ed]

FOS: Toaster Strudel

Consider this the equivalent of a vote that doesn't want to hammer until Toaster has had a chance to respond.

wow I didn't realize how quickly she made it to L-1. DGB/TS why are you avoiding this thread?

[the silent speaker]

EBWOP: Of the people who have been named as potential hits (assuming Toaster is lynched) I disapprove of targeting pickem and myself, for reasons that should be obvious, and shaft.ed, because if Gorrad wants shaft.ed dead and he's anti-town that is likelier to hurt us than help us. I prefer Elias to Kison, I think, but would be okay with either even though I think shaft.ed is trying to disclaim a little more responsibility for his Kison FOS than he quite has a right to*.

*-- Yes, shaft.ed, you put in probabilistic modifiers, so it wasn't an absolute pronouncement from on high. But that's the equivalent of pinning your statement on the definition of "is", and besides, who can make an absolute pronouncement from on high? Cop or scum, and I don't think you're claiming either.

[shaft.ed]

Meh I know I didn't handle Kison's retort well. I was shooting off the comment liek that to see if he would fuddle with it, or get overly defensive. I haven't been able to discern much from the reaction other than Kison has some teeth on him. I still think the act itself is a mild scum tell however.

I'm also going to

unvote

as I do not want an accidental hammer without having decided Gorrad's target for the day.

[Gorrad]

One thing I should say, even if I was SK'd I'd be scumhunting. They want me killed even more, and they can NK me. You know I'm not scum, therefore you can be assured my votes and insight further stopping them.

[Tarhalindur]

Posting this in all my games: limited access until Sunday due to upcoming event.

Please do not lynch until my return.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

I did a reread on my top 3 suspects and I view PEG in a more positive light now. So I like TS lynch + Gorrad killing Elias.

[shaft.ed]

I did a reread on my top 3 suspects and I view PEG in a more positive light now. So I like TS lynch + Gorrad killing Elias.

At this moment in time I agree with the TS + Elias, but considering Elias has said he's got RL problems I'd much rather he actually get some posting up in thread. TS/DGB's posting level across site also seems to be down, but I've seen her on enough to get some comments up in this game. I'm most comfortable with lynching/vig'ing her at the moment.

[the silent speaker]

One thing I should say, even if I was SK'd I'd be scumhunting.

This is true, and in fact some elements of the voting record make me a bit more suspicious of shaft.ed, but I think they should be discussed in open forum tomorrow rather than making a unilateral decision on him. Better to vig Kison, I think, if Elias is being ruled out for limited access reasons, and if the combined deaths of TS and Kison don't end the game we will be able to judge shaft.ed on a firmer footing over your (Gorrad's) lynchday.

P.S. There is a Jewish holiday in the first half of next week. Expect limited access from me between now and then; any night choices I might have have been pre-sent as a precaution (this should be taken neither as confirmation nor denial of the presence of any night choices in actual fact).

[shaft.ed]

One thing I should say, even if I was SK'd I'd be scumhunting.

This is true, and in fact some elements of the voting record make me a bit more suspicious of shaft.ed, but I think they should be discussed in open forum tomorrow rather than making a unilateral decision on him. Better to vig Kison, I think, if Elias is being ruled out for limited access reasons, and if the combined deaths of TS and Kison don't end the game we will be able to judge shaft.ed on a firmer footing over your (Gorrad's) lynchday.

When did Kison get added to the short list?

[Guardian]

You have about a week until deadline.

Carry on.

[pickemgenius]

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