Mushroom Kingdom Mafia (Game over!)

[Gimbo]

anyone who wish to use the 1-up mushroom must first survive through the night after which the person receives it. The only way this is feasible is if a doctor/pro-town protector protects that person for the night and then the holder of the 1-up mushroom can use it.

thats why i asked the pro-town doctor role in this game to protect me tonight so that I can use the 1-up mushroom the next day since technically after D1 lynch, no actions can be taken untill D2.

therefore scums wanting to kill me tonight, don't waste your time

I think that my claim (though a bit rushed and kinda failed to do the proper job) actually did something really helpful. Because later on when we go back to page 1 and start an analysis, its kind of obvious that many players were clearly hyped/excited a bit by my revelation, so its not impossible that a scum is among them. Am I right?

Mod edit:
Visible votecount:
TheSweatpantsNinja (2): sideney, iamausername
Gimbo (1): somestrangeflea
armlx (2): killa seven, FaerieLord
populartajo (2): Rogue Shenanigans, farside22
Cream147 (3): armlx, Phoebus, Alabaska J
Xtoxm (2): DragonsofSummer, alvinz95
Alabaska J (1): populartajo
Surye (1): Celebloki
Mr. Incrediball (1): Riceballtail
somestrangeflea (1): Dead Rikimaru
farside22 (1): TheSweatpantsNinja
Surye (1): Gimbo

Not voting (6): Xtoxm, Surye, mr. incrediball, MafiaSSK, Pepsidude, Cream147

With 24 alive it takes 13 real votes to lynch.

[Pepsidude]

So we're not going to pool our coins and purchase a couple of investigations? Even if not all of the pooled coins get into town hands, this would still give us a good lead to go off of.

[farside22]

I have an idea, first things first. I know how we can confirm Gimbo's claim (of having the item, not being pro-town).

We have him trade it to someone, and they trade it back. If he can do that, he proves he has the item and we can move from there. If the person on the other end refuses to give it back, we lynch him, and it would be worth a scum for the item.

Once we've done this, we'll have more information to work with.

This almost sounds like a lets see who else has items and who doesn't type thing.

FOS Surye

[Pepsidude]

And I don't think we need to waste a cop to investigate Gimbo. I think the fact that he knew there were multiple toads pretty much confirms his role. I think non-toads would probably expect only one real toad.

[Surye]

Ok, what we can do right now is actually choose a suspicious target to lynch as my position in this game is in danger, besides there will also be (at least) 1 NK, and there's no guaranteed that if I am alive I will revive Cream since I can only revive one person.

Unvote Vote:Surye

Did you ever even mention my name besides this post?

[Surye]

I have an idea, first things first. I know how we can confirm Gimbo's claim (of having the item, not being pro-town).

We have him trade it to someone, and they trade it back. If he can do that, he proves he has the item and we can move from there. If the person on the other end refuses to give it back, we lynch him, and it would be worth a scum for the item.

Once we've done this, we'll have more information to work with.

This almost sounds like a lets see who else has items and who doesn't type thing.

FOS Surye

I'd be willing to do the exchange, I started with no items.

[Alabaska J]

Why the hell did Gimbo vote Surye? The only scummy thing he has done so far occurred after his post. Do you have some sort of post restriction which forces you to vote for a random person every post?

[Rogue Shenanigans]

The transaction can fail for other reasons too though.

What do the players make of this.

[Surye]

Why the hell did Gimbo vote Surye? The only scummy thing he has done so far occurred after his post. Do you have some sort of post restriction which forces you to vote for a random person every post?

Haha, that would be amazing.

[Surye]

The transaction can fail for other reasons too though.

What do the players make of this.

That my plan can only confirm, and not disprove.

Speculation: Maybe some roles can trade block.

[Gimbo]

I voted for you because you sounded scummy. Farside is the only one that is making sense. I knew there were other toads because OBVIOUSLY there are other toads, toads are townie, do you actually think there's onyl 1 toad? (1 townie)? DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I will not remove my vote for Surye for the entirety of D1 and I won't eat my word.

Gtg, back in 15+ hours.

[Surye]

Shit Farside, I think I cannot get an item because technically I have the 1-up mushroom right now. The transaction will fail.

But I am able to buy a regular mushroom during the night (I think), so

2 coins

is all I need.

Gimbo's claim seems to have a life of it's own, it's evolving. Now you are a Toad that started with an item. That would have been the right thing to say from the start, why did you not?

Oh, I know why, because then we would pressure you to give the 1up to a much more likely town player, and lynch you, and revive you if you turn up town.

He seems to be trying to play us.

Oh, that's why he voted me. OMGUS much?

[Pepsidude]

Wow. Just when I start thinking Gimbo is playing logically, he blows it all with a random and illogical move.

I voted for you because you sounded scummy.

No support?

I knew there were other toads because OBVIOUSLY there are other toads, toads are townie, do you actually think there's onyl 1 toad? (1 townie)? DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I said it showed you were town by knowing there were other toads. But we don't know that all townies are toads? We don't know if our roleclaims are telling us we're other characters dresses up as toads or if we're actually mushroom people Surely some players have roles like Mario and Luigi?

[Pepsidude]

Btw, what is "OMGUS"?

This is my first mafia on this site so I'm not used to some of these acronyms. Also, where I come from players do more FoSing than voting a different player in each post, waiting to vote until it's more final.

[Surye]

Btw, what is "OMGUS"?

This is my first mafia on this site so I'm not used to some of these acronyms. Also, where I come from players do more FoSing than voting a different player in each post, waiting to vote until it's more final.

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=OMGUS

Wiki is your answer to all.

[populartajo]

I have an idea, first things first. I know how we can confirm Gimbo's claim (of having the item, not being pro-town).

We have him trade it to someone, and they trade it back. If he can do that, he proves he has the item and we can move from there. If the person on the other end refuses to give it back, we lynch him, and it would be worth a scum for the item.

Once we've done this, we'll have more information to work with.

This almost sounds like a lets see who else has items and who doesn't type thing.

FOS Surye

I'd be willing to do the exchange, I started with no items.

I agree with this.

[DragonsofSummer]

Alright so Gimbo's play has been very erratic so far this game. He started out with very hyper no content posting, and then he had a bunch of posting that was fairly logical, and then he freaked out and outed himself as a semi-power role and has been hyper posting ever since.

All this said I am inclined to believe his claim at this point, and like the idea of him using it on whoever is lynched or who ever ends up being nk'd tonight.

There has been a lot of posting in this game at a very fast rate, but most of it has surrounded Gimbo leaving a lot of the other posters (and non posters) to fall out of any sort of light at all. At this point I don't feel that anyone has really seemed extremely scummy for any of their ideas.

But I do not agree with pooling our coins right now as TSN suggested. I do agree with giving coins to someone seen as protown when you die though.

[FaerieLord]

Therefore, I decided to reveal rather than hide my ability, sicne revealing doesn't really increase my target IF it works out.

Actually, it does increase you as a target

FaerieLord, claiming doesn't hurt me in this case, because this is a one-shot ability. If I don't claim, there is 24 players, what are the odds that the mafia won't choose to NK me or than 1 of the townies might NK me?

Mafia don't shoot randomly you know, they shoot the best players. I don't mean this as an offence towards you, but you're surely not the best player in here. Had you not claimed, they would've most probably not shot you.

But I do not agree with pooling our coins right now as TSN suggested. I do agree with giving coins to someone seen as protown when you die though.

Before you die I assume? Since the last person on your wagon takes the coins.

Also, I hate the fact that Gimbo outed a role that would've been pretty powerful. But we'll just have to live with it now.

I also

Unvote

[Gimbo]

FaerieLord, I still insist that my outting will be a good thing in the long run. As we know, there is a huge chance that among the posters that i talked with after my revelation, a scum is among them, all it takes is for someone on Day5 or something to go back and reread everything and you see certain people hyped about my psot while others discredit it. That, I think, is a huge amount of info.

[sideney]

I have an idea, first things first. I know how we can confirm Gimbo's claim (of having the item, not being pro-town).

We have him trade it to someone, and they trade it back. If he can do that, he proves he has the item and we can move from there. If the person on the other end refuses to give it back, we lynch him, and it would be worth a scum for the item.

Once we've done this, we'll have more information to work with.

This almost sounds like a lets see who else has items and who doesn't type thing.

FOS Surye

I agree, Surye looks like he want too much the item of Gimbo.

Fos Surye

[somestrangeflea]

Please comment on the Socialist Mass Coin Redistribution Plan For Victory.

I'm very meh about it. It seems like something which the scum could manipulate fairly easily...

If we don't combine, all that's going to happen is scum are going to start killing us off, and then we'll have less coins, and still not enough to do anything with.

That seems like a good idea, or at least preferable to the alternative, which is standing around twiddling our thumbs.

We could, you know,

play Mafia

. You seem to be focussing on the coins as though they are the sole factor that will make or break the game. They're like powers in any other game: They're useful if we've got them, but we shouldn't be relying on them. Vigs, Cops and Bulletproofs (powers which we can buy) exist in many other games, but they don't serve as a replacement for standard scumhunting.

Because no matter what, someone is going to die before N1 and we can either decide to do this meticulously and actually lynch the one who seems the most scummy (which might take god knows how long given the amount needed to lynch:13!)

I'm willing to bet that if there is a lynch, it'll be done by June 25th.

Deadline: June 25

Gimbo's claim is weird. It starts off as a role that can revive, then changes to a Toad with a one-shot ability, then into a Toad with an item. I don't have a large amount of confidence in it. What I will say is this: Given that the revival is an item, Gimbo's claim does not, in and of itself, hint towards or against any specific alignment.

Hi, btw 1-Up can onyl be used during the day, that's why I was really upset I forgot about the 1-item clause

You've only just found out that your item is day-use only? Surely this is the sort of thing you should know from the start of the game?

FaerieLord, I still insist that my outting will be a good thing in the long run.

The outing of you as what? You're nothing but a regular Townie with an item (which any number of other players

could

have) who claimed with little/no provocation whatsoever.

I'm not buying it.

[Surye]

I have an idea, first things first. I know how we can confirm Gimbo's claim (of having the item, not being pro-town).

We have him trade it to someone, and they trade it back. If he can do that, he proves he has the item and we can move from there. If the person on the other end refuses to give it back, we lynch him, and it would be worth a scum for the item.

Once we've done this, we'll have more information to work with.

This almost sounds like a lets see who else has items and who doesn't type thing.

FOS Surye

I agree, Surye looks like he want too much the item of Gimbo.

Fos Surye

Wait, you think I'm going to trick him into giving me the item, then keep it, and expect to NOT get lynched? Honestly? Are you even thinking this through?

[farside22]

I have an idea, first things first. I know how we can confirm Gimbo's claim (of having the item, not being pro-town).

We have him trade it to someone, and they trade it back. If he can do that, he proves he has the item and we can move from there. If the person on the other end refuses to give it back, we lynch him, and it would be worth a scum for the item.

Once we've done this, we'll have more information to work with.

This almost sounds like a lets see who else has items and who doesn't type thing.

FOS Surye

I agree, Surye looks like he want too much the item of Gimbo.

Fos Surye

Wait, you think I'm going to trick him into giving me the item, then keep it, and expect to NOT get lynched? Honestly? Are you even thinking this through?

No I don't think you are stupid, but looking like someone trying to look townie. I get bad vibes, plus the one person I'm suspicious of backs you up. I say no dice to an exchange.

[Rogue Shenanigans]

No I don't think you are stupid, but looking like someone trying to look townie. I get bad vibes, plus the one person I'm suspicious of backs you up. I say no dice to an exchange.

Why would you refuse an exchange based on that? You have already mentioned that him doing this does not mean he is town. This should be enough. You are intentionally standing in the way of confirming someones claim and I just don't see a reason for it.

I think that a third person should inspect the item also. We cant take chances on a Gimbo/Surye scumpair, though I doubt it. I don't mind doing this.

It doesn't make me town, but it helps to build a better picture of Gimbo, which is something which can only be beneficial.

[iamausername]

What is the disadvantage to Surye's plan in your eyes, farside? Regardless of whether or not Surye is scum, the end result is that we will be in exactly the same situation as we are now, except that we will have verified that Gimbo does have the item he says he has.
What, does the mushroom somehow become tainted if scumSurye touches it? Or do you think that knowing Gimbo is not lying will somehow benefit scum more than town?