Mushroom Kingdom Mafia (Game over!)

[mr. incrediball]

Also, as people like incrediball would know had they bothered to read the thread, if we use all our coins, the mafia can't take them by killing, hypothetical coin thieves can't steal coins we don't have, and we, get, say five investigations. Or eight vigs. Seems like a pretty good deal to me.

i wasn't voting you for asking us to coin-

pool

. i'm pretty indifferent on that particular subject. but coin-

claim

ing? it sounded scummy.

Mod edit:
Visible votecount:
Cream147 (4): armlx, Phoebus, Alabaska J, Gimbo
TheSweatpantsNinja (3): sideney, iamausername, mr. incrediball
populartajo (2): Rogue Shenanigans, farside22
Xtoxm (2): DragonsofSummer, alvinz95
Alabaska J (1): populartajo
Mr. Incrediball (1): Riceballtail
somestrangeflea (1): Dead Rikimaru
farside22 (1): TheSweatpantsNinja
armlx (1): killa seven
Gimbo (1): somestrangeflea

Not voting (7): Xtoxm, Surye, MafiaSSK, Pepsidude, Cream147, FaerieLord, Celebloki

With 24 alive it takes 13 real votes to lynch.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Um, as you as you have a plan for pooling that doesn't involve people saying, "I have this many coins," you let me know.

[mr. incrediball]

Um, as you as you have a plan for pooling that doesn't involve people saying, "I have this many coins," you let me know.

well, find a confirmed townie to give all our coins, then give them our coins, yes? (i'm fully aware that you'll be specifying your coins as you pass them over)

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Indeed we will, except then we don't have a claims process where we might catch some liars.

And if we give all our coins to one person, they'd just have to redistribute them anyway.

[mr. incrediball]

Indeed we will, except then we don't have a claims process where we might catch some liars.

And if we give all our coins to one person, they'd just have to redistribute them anyway.

what do you mean, catch liars?

i was under the impression that you can't just say "give all my coins to X" but you had to specify the number, yes?

then a scum who claims to have only 1 coin isn't going to be dumb enough to then give 3 coins to trusted townie, yes?

or... were you suggesting that, rather than centralize the coins before distributing them, we share them out by, say, a player with 8 coins giving 3 coins to a player with 2 coins?


gah. brain hurty.

unvote

.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Shrug, centralizing them seems like an unnecessary step, but I'm not opposed to it.

What I would like to see happen is a coin claim, then figuring out how we want to use them (I'm still leaning mass investigate, but mass vigging has the advantage of not having to trust your vigs for them to work).

Then we vote (condorcet, instant runoff, whatever) for who our most trusted cops should be. We could have them investigate blind, which has the downside of potential double investigations, but if scum can roleblock, they won't know who to roleblock. On the other hand, public investigation targets are prey to the WIFOM of "why did scum kill this cop?". Someone suggested we have two cops investigate the same person, which makes our results more certain, but on the other hand, means we get half the results.

Something else I've been kicking around is having our

least

trusted players receive the coins, buy the feathers, and investigate in a circle. As long as we don't have two scum in a row, we'll know which results we can't trust.

Step 3 is getting the coins where they need to go, and lynching someone, I guess. Probably farside, because she's scum.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

The biggest reason I support this is that the usual reason you don't massclaim is so scum don't know who to kill--but the items are all one-shot. There's no harm in claiming items, because once you use them, you're no longer a target. (Unless, of course, you have something that you can only use during the day, and not until day 2, in which case you should probably have kept quiet. )

[mr. incrediball]

i should probably point out at this point that when you said "coin-claim" i thought you meant claiming alone. as in without a pool. i am ashamed.


anyway, i'm not sure what we should do with our collective wealth. :s

[Gimbo]

Unvote Vote:TheSweatspantNinja

[mr. incrediball]

Unvote Vote:TheSweatspantNinja

reasoning? we'd already cleared the mild confusion up.

[Gimbo]

because right now. It's either Cream or TSN, and its not a rash thing. I've had my eyes on both, but TSN just asked for a coin claim, even though we've already mentioned how that is dangerous and eh also mentioend so solution that doesn't seem to be helpful in my eyes.

[mr. incrediball]

because right now. It's either Cream or TSN, and its not a rash thing. I've had my eyes on both, but TSN just asked for a coin claim, even though we've already mentioned how that is dangerous and eh also mentioend so solution that doesn't seem to be helpful in my eyes.

if you don't agree with someone's idea, that doesn't automatically make it scummy.

although you're right, in that i still don't really endorse a coin-claim, unless it's immedietly followed by coin-pooling.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Gah, gimbo, I can't help people who don't want to be helped. You don't see the benefit in the town getting a bunch of investigations?

And no, coin-claiming unless followed by

doing

something would be a waste of time.

[Rogue Shenanigans]

Individual based decisions on coin use> majority based coin use that can be influenced and corrupted by scum.

[FaerieLord]

because right now. It's either Cream or TSN, and its not a rash thing. I've had my eyes on both, but TSN just asked for a coin claim, even though we've already mentioned how that is dangerous and eh also mentioend so solution that doesn't seem to be helpful in my eyes.

Err...just asked? He asked for a coin claim before you voted Cream. That doesn't qualify as just asked.

Gah, gimbo, I can't help people who don't want to be helped. You don't see the benefit in the town getting a bunch of investigations?

I do see the benefit, but I also see the disadvantage of leaving everyone coinless. Pooling all our coins will render everyone that doesn't have a coin useless, but this way everyone could potentially be a threat.

[Riceballtail]

Individual based decisions on coin use> majority based coin use that can be influenced and corrupted by scum.

/agree

It would most likely end up hurting the town to mass vig and pool coins, as those who do not start with self recovery items are now at risk of your plan. It's a great idea... as a scum.

UNVOTE
VOTE: TSN

[Rogue Shenanigans]

I support a TSPN lynch.

It holds more water than a cream lynch and cas the same advantage of a gimbo revival.

Unvote, Vote: TheSweatpantsNinja

[Gimbo]

I NOW PLEAD MY CASE TO SCUMS TO SAVE MY OWN ASS:

there is 1 unique property to the 1-UP mushroom (in addition to revival) that makes it an extremely power tool for the end game. As mentioned by Surye and me in page 14, that property of the 1-Up could potentially mean the difference between town winning and scum winning.

If I die tonight with the 1-up shroom, it's going to be gone forever. So why don't you scums out there leave me be, because this 1-up is now known and sooner or later (there is a chance it won't be used D2 if 1) we lynch a scum or 2) town deems it okay to save it. The 1-up might end up in your hands (you being a scum) since I have no intention of keeping it and will keep this to soemeone in the future, and that could potentially change the game.

What I am trying to say is that the 1-up has 2 sides for it, the pro-town definitely and the potential anti-town side to it depending on how its used. Now I know you guys won't ask me to reveal because only scums would want that to happen (lol). But Surye has confirmed it....and yea, just think twice before expelling the 1-UP from this game.

In a 24 player game, so what if an extra townie gets revived? the chance of a scum ending up with this and wreaking havoc on town is probably well worth it.

Don't you think so Surye?

CASE CLOSED.

[Lawrencelot]

Give Gimbo 1up Mushroom

Transaction succesful. Surye loses his 1-up shroom and gives it to Gimbo.

[Gimbo]

JUST TO CLARIFY: I am trying to say that in the WRONG hands, 1-UP can turn deadly, but in town hands, though it is not as powerful (considering statistics), its still an overall pro-town item.

[Rogue Shenanigans]

Hmm

Im thinking The Lost Levels when I think mushy thats good for scum.

[Gimbo]

^ well, its true and the shroom can change this game...but only if it still exists by D2.

P.S. Is that a TSN bandwagon that I am seeing?

[Riceballtail]

Yes it is, and it isn't big enough yet. Join us!

[Pepsidude]

Is your role ever going to stop getting bigger and bigger, Gimbo? You always seem to come out with more information and abilities that you were hiding from us.

[iamausername]

Well, now that Surye's touched his mushroom (lol), we can be sure that he's not making this up as he goes along.