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nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 12:04 pm

In post 2559, EeveeLution Army wrote:
In post 2556, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 2553, EeveeLution Army wrote:
In post 2550, nomnomnom wrote:Like, the lack of interest in pushing a game winning scenario from your part makes me think that you are bullshitting, is what I'm trying to say. I don't know how you usually play but I've never seen a MD this disinterested in forcing a game-solve.
im decent at 1v1s tbh. but idt winning this 1v1 is gamewinning nomnom. since we have 3 people who can be scum left, meaning a 66/33 and 50/50 need to be won even if sky is lynched. im honestly heartbroken cause i wanted sky to be town. but it is impossible now.
What do you mean "isn't gamewinning"? If you win this 1v1 as town, you force a NK on yourself and we end up in a 2 masons - 1 VT - 2 goons endgame. That's excellent chances for town.

it isnt when the last game you were in was a 100% townwin that town choked in lylo

Okay so what's the other plan? Go ahead and give us other ways to proceed.

EeveeLution Army wrote:
In post 2558, nomnomnom wrote:...Then why didn't you confirm it from the get go? As in night 1, night 2?
n1 he hadnt claimed disloyal yet and i hadnt thought of confirming it since it wouldnt benefit.

you also have to remember i was thinking he was neighbourizer. so i didnt wanna check him n2

Right, so you're dumbtelling and blatantly misusing your role. Am I supposed to believe that? That you wouldn't check the only tangible claim left in the game at that point?
You had plenty of opportunities to check that, and those excuses are honestly stinky.

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 12:07 pm

Then propose another lynch and why.

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 12:12 pm

You didn't know she was disloyal by night 1, so that's not a good excuse.

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 12:16 pm

...That has nothing to do with what I said. The fact you didn't check her and your excuse is "oh she's disloyal wouldn't have worked" doesn't mean ANYTHING if you don't know she's disloyal in the first place.

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 12:23 pm

Because it confirms them? Because we've run in the issue of sky being an non-confirmable PR until you said "HAHA BUT HOW CAN YOU BE SURE I CANT CHECK IT"? Like, hello?

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 12:26 pm

You targeted as you revealed yourself, at this point she can manipulate the result. Please use your brain for a second.

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 12:28 pm

Plus again you literally tried to check sky without thinking two seconds that it could be a scum tactic to get you off the nightkill and having a guilty on someone? Really?

Like honestly I don't want to insult you, but I refuse to believe someone can be THIS simpleminded and never consider anything ever.

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 12:33 pm

Well let's put it this way.

NOW that you know she can't be town, isn't it pretty obvious from your pov that it's what happened? And if yes why the hell do you sit here watching the whole thing happen while typing "xD" once in a while? Like come on.

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 12:37 pm

I'm just pointing at the lack of pro-activity of your part today. And I think you don't question the gamestate and fmpov your actions are so simplistic and you justify them in so many ways, which is scum-indicative. But again hindsight is 20/20.

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 12:41 pm

I just dislike that it feels like me interrogating everyone here and people are happy to let it go, but that's because scums are probably zipping their mouth shut.

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 12:55 pm

God I so want to believe this is just a mountainous and we're being played right now. This is stupid.

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 12:58 pm

Sky is not a powerful PR. At all.

Until you came and said you were a MD sky was virtually a named townie as soon as she claimed.

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 1:04 pm

Also this is a bit awkward to come back to this but

@Sky you said in 2325 that her being town relies on there being a scum roleblocker. But that can't be possible. She either would have had a positive if you were blocked, or she would have had a "no result" pm if she was blocked. So that means that from her perspective none of you can have been roleblocked.

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 1:06 pm

Honestly... deep inside, I want to believe both of you are scum and you're just fucking around. That'd be funnier than whatever this is lmao

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 1:09 pm

Okay let's be real, if Eevee really is scum, why would she claim MD? Like, 3 masons 1FN, that doesn't make sense to have a scum MD. At all. So why would scum claim MD? I'm trying to find a decent reason here.

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 1:14 pm

Okay so you think she claimed MD just to get masons lynched, is that correct?

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 1:21 pm

So many things to believe in. Urgh.

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 1:23 pm

Sky please, you're starting to make me doubt

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 1:25 pm

You have no idea how fucking stressed I am right now, you guys are something lmao

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 1:32 pm

define equal

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 1:37 pm

In post 2630, Nero Cain wrote:Why is evee obvscum?

thoughts about the back and forth and the arguments presented?

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 1:44 pm

In post 2635, Nero Cain wrote:What if.

scum are sky, evee and roster and they are hard pushing Evee but then the question is why would the scum team bus here?

Do you honestly believe this is a game with only 3 masons? And that 2 scums would do this in Lylo?

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 2:08 pm

Bob voting sky is what's making me question things, honestly. Like, would scum REALLY push a situation where they have to nk a MD

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 2:36 pm

tbh nero forcing the 50/50 gets us an additional IC if we are right, so this is kinda worth

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 3:04 pm

I asked her and she said that voting Sky was the safest.

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 3:11 pm

We could lynch bob, but then what's the plan? Scums made it clear that we're going to reach a Eevee - Sky - VT endgame here

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 3:12 pm

if we get it right now, we have an additional IC and we reach a 1 mason/IC - 1 scum - 1 VT endgame

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 3:13 pm

Not backtracking, just considering my options here. What if we get bob? I get night killed then what? What's the plan for tomorrow?

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 3:20 pm

In post 2669, EeveeLution Army wrote:i never called you for sure scum when did i do that?

You said that Sky and nero were your confirmed scum spot and that Bob/Roster was a 50/50

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 3:21 pm

In post 2391, EeveeLution Army wrote:I proudly will die for town if it confirms sky as scum. Which means its either sky/nero/roster or sky/roster/bob.

I guess im misremembering

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 3:23 pm

So you believe bob being a lynchbait over roster/nero being town? What?

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 3:27 pm

What are your thoughts now then

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 3:28 pm

Does it matter? I'm asking your thoughts now

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 3:30 pm

Excellent

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 3:32 pm

Why the hell would you not be NKed as MD

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 3:35 pm

my head cannot be slammed harder on my desk

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 3:39 pm

Please tell me this is a joke...

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 3:46 pm

@Sky if I told you we're lynching bob today would you do it

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 3:51 pm

Is this a stress thing for you? Like, getting done with this 1v1 that is

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 3:53 pm

Odd answer.

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 3:55 pm

I never said it wasn't, but... I expected a different answer coming from you, I suppose.

See, the same thing coming from Eevee's mouth doesn't surprise me because they've given off this vibe constantly. I don't know.

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 3:59 pm

the way you present things are interesting sky

I guess I'm interested to see how you flip for learning purposes, but you're a player with a clear duality I suppose.

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 4:03 pm

Yeah I guess you have this clear analytical sense but sometimes it seems it just completely falls apart and emotional stuff takes over if I make sense?

Feels genuine fmpov and it's been consistent behavior throughout the game so I'm honestly less inclined to believe you're AtEing through the roof.

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 4:11 pm

In post 2723, EeveeLution Army wrote:the longer this draws out the more it benefits scum tbh

Not really? What the fuck?

The more interaction there is, the better it is for us to make an informed decision.

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 4:15 pm

Alright, who's the right person again? You seem to know the right decision right, Eevee.

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 4:17 pm

I really hope you're scum. You have no idea.

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 4:43 pm

I mean if it's anything else than bob/roster I guess you played me good Nero, but yeah, I believe that they must be two scums. Almost no doubts about that.

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 4:47 pm

I like how both Eevee and Roster think I'm going to leave Axe without instructions lmao.

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 4:49 pm

What kind of AtE is this by the way, you guys are weird

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 4:53 pm

@Nero if i asked you to vote eevee right now would you

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 4:57 pm

Again the lack of bob/roster interaction is probably more telling than anything. I think it's a given they're both scum here, and they haven't tried defending themselves AT ALL from this accusation and tried forcing the eevee/sky separation today...

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 5:26 pm

So we're going with the roster - bob - eevee/sky plan then

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 5:28 pm

In post 2772, Nero Cain wrote:YAY!

You do feel confident about solving this 1v1 it seems.

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 5:31 pm

Actually scratch that, do you think you ever reach last 3, Nero?

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 5:36 pm

Logically I die tonight and Axe dies the next except if they think Axe fucks it up REALLY hard.

nomnomnom · Mon May 20, 2019 5:37 pm

I'll have a night of sleep first.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 3:03 am

Actually I would like to note that a lot of townies were pushing Axe this game, and again, I believe that scums instantly retreated out of pushing axe as soon as they understood he was mason to look town. I think that actually makes Nero look pretty town.

That could be manipulation out of his part, and if it was I guess I got played, but that and some factors makes me believe he can only be town. And again, if he played me, I guess he got this game.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 3:06 am

People are going to be mad at Axe because of how he played this game. I don't blame him, we went for something and see how it worked out. If I had to redo something I would have hammered you or bob day 2. Otherwise yeah.

pedit: I was saying that about nero because it's an argument used against him to push him as scum today. Plus that's actually a big lie, you instantly put us two in your conftown pool as soon as you understood our soft.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 3:11 am

That part always seemed scummy to me, this fact you were so fencesitty about us. Day 1 you definitely backed off as soon as you understood the soft, but then I CLEARLY remember you being like "yeah but urgh, it's weird huh... hold on". It felt like if L-1 was reached on Axe, you would be the one hammering. That's the impression I got out of you this game. That's different from Nero that basically continually pushed Axe from start to finish. BIG difference.

pedit: doesn't prove anything. I have countless posts of Nero pushing axe and you have 2 after the mason soft? Come on

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 3:13 am

In post 2874, Nero Cain wrote:man, I did a great job fooling nom this game

Deep larping if true lmao

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 3:16 am

So Nero what do you wanna do?

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 3:22 am

I have my doubts, I'm debating with Axe.

If we went with bob today would you go for that?

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 3:26 am

That's not possible unless you believe this is friends and enemies without any more PRs.

You really think both Sky and Eevee can be scum?

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 3:28 am

In post 2885, rosterfoster wrote: Friends + Enemies + 2 VT's is probably balanced though?

The better question is: would scum really spend 2 days with their theatrics doing all of this to then bus themselves on LYLO? I believe it was possible for them to push a guilty and that would have been the end of the game, yet here we are. They can't both be scum, so there must be another PR in this game.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 3:32 am

Huh... Maybe I was wrong about you, Nero.

pedit: I just explained it. If it really was that setup then we wouldn't have this 1v1 today. Instead we would have both of them pushing a guilty on whoever sky sent the message to, and it would be the end of the game.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 3:34 am

In post 2891, Nero Cain wrote:oh, you've asked me this b4. I don't think its exactly impossible that the sum total of town is 3 masons but I could certainly buy a one of Sky/Evee is scum.

sure, I'll follow ya'll on Bob or Roster.

This is unorthodox coming out of you, trying to open the possibilities of scumteams when it's clear why it cannot be possible. Uncharacteristic of your playstyle.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 3:35 am

Occam's razor says that exactly one of Eevee/Sky is scum and it's been the discussion of most of today. If you have a good reason to believe this is not the case, present it now.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 3:37 am

In post 2898, Nero Cain wrote:I don't and never said I did.

You just presented cases where both of them are scum despite the overwhelming evidence that this is not possible.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 3:40 am

I don't think you realize how scum this makes you look right now from my point of view.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 3:42 am

In post 2901, rosterfoster wrote:Nom can you explain to me how the setup isn't ridiculously townsided with a Dis FN OR a Motion detector? Regardless of scum roles.

We know nothing of the scumteam. Could be perfectly balanced for all you know. Setups on this site are not exactly known to be scumsided. Confer to our last game where the scumteam was stacked against a loyal neighborizer, disloyal even-night rber and a jailkeeper, against 2 goons and a night 1 watcher.

It's not about powerlevel, it's about mechanical play. You will not make me believe both of them are scum or that both of them are town unless you have strong evidence for it.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 3:46 am

I'm impressed Roster, I didn't know you could write this much asinine stuff in such a short time span lmao

I know you're trying to do this because otherwise you are going to your loss, 100%. But that's not going to work.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 3:48 am

@Nero I never said town must have a 4th PR out of thin air. Reread what happened beginning of day and you will CLEARLY SEE why it's close to impossible that we are in anything else than "One of Eevee/Sky is scum" except if the scumteam fucked up extremely hard in a situation where they are hard winning.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 3:51 am

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 3:54 am

Alright let's do something else instead.

Let's admit they're both scum. Who's the last scum and why?

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 4:00 am

Also @Nero do you believe Sky and Eevee could be bussing each other and setting this whole thing up?

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 4:10 am

Ok, but you believe sky is scum, so they can't be bussing right?

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 4:13 am

In post 2924, NotAnAxehole wrote:
In post 2923, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2917, nomnomnom wrote:Also @Nero do you believe Sky and Eevee could be bussing each other and setting this whole thing up?
i've already said the OR points to not bussing today and the only way that it could be bussing is that is town Sky votes scum Evee and scum Roster wants to bus Evee and buddy Sky.
bussing between Eevee - skygazer is far stronger though because it drives the lynch to the other players, which have more town than scum. I'm not sure what the likelyhood of this is, but my god they're both scummy...

They've literally been pushing since minute 0 to choose between them two. Do you honestly believe that if they were bussing, Sky would be like "oh my god please muh stress force the 1v1"? I refuse to believe that.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 4:16 am

Why would scum act this way when they're winning this hard? It makes NO sense to me, no matter how many times you will bring up the game balance.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 4:25 am

Mechanically speaking it's impossible that both of them are town. It's also extremely unlikely that both of them are scum.

Roster is pushing this because otherwise it means scum's end.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 4:28 am

I honestly believe the key to all this is seeing scum flipping and seeing their roles flip. When they flip and we see them having roles or simply being goons, the sky and eevee split will become much more obvious.

I think I'm ready to come forward. Just discussing Axe the last details here.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 4:33 am

If only we had a votecount

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 4:37 am

Actually Sky, vote the person you have the most faith in voting in right now. I want to tie your hands.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 4:40 am

Final answer?

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 4:43 am

VOTE: Roster

That's not happening.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 4:45 am

Go ahead. I'm playing to win here.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 4:46 am

Axe never voted in the first place.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 4:53 am

Actually Sky selfvoted during this game out of frustration, if that means anything.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 4:55 am

I sure hope you have good anxiolytics.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 4:56 am

UNVOTE:

Hold on, just trying to calm my laughter here. I'm crying.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 4:58 am

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 4:59 am

One vote and the games goes in shambles.

Still waiting for the sky throw.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 5:02 am

send help im dying of laughter

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 5:04 am

In post 2976, EeveeLution Army wrote:nero just hammer sky and end this

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 5:06 am

No I am just laughing my ass off right now. You have no idea.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 5:09 am

ARE THERE ANY OTHER SELF-VOTE AND TILTING PLAyERS I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 5:10 am

And that means you lose to nero because...?

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 5:12 am

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 5:15 am

oh my god are you going to listen to axe?? wow!

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 5:24 am

You guys are honestly really bad at inspiring confidence, let me tell you that much.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 5:27 am

Right but that's not even why you want to GT

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 5:57 am

man even schadd doesn't know where we're at anymore

kill this game now

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 6:01 am

hold on let me prepare my cool glasses first so I can pretend i'm confident

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 6:18 am

Ahem. Your reign of terror ends now, Bob...
VOTE: bob

Spoiler: gory

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 7:21 am

That's actually not L-1.

UNVOTE:

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 7:22 am

VOTE: Skygazer
hahaha

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 7:24 am

If you do this to gamethrow I'm actually going to be upset.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 7:25 am

I'm so sorry.

nomnomnom · Tue May 21, 2019 7:26 am

Nice fakeclaim though.

nomnomnom · Sun May 26, 2019 6:27 am

Sky hard carried scum. From the fakeclaim to the F7 play. Pretty good performance.

Please release both the mason and scum PT.

Thanks a lot for modding.

nomnomnom · Sun May 26, 2019 6:55 am

Wow, bob came up with the disloyal FN claim. Interesting.

nomnomnom · Sun May 26, 2019 7:08 am

In post 3162, Skygazer wrote:
In post 3159, nomnomnom wrote:Wow, bob came up with the disloyal FN claim. Interesting.
did he ??

i dont think i really carried this team, roster/bob managed to survive for longer than i did, i just made a few gambits

think you only suggested loyal then bob was asking was disloyal did? Could be misreading but yeah, good claim. Can't wait to hate seeing it over and over lmao.

Also that last gambit won the game for scum pretty much so yeah.

nomnomnom · Sun May 26, 2019 7:29 am

We also pushed Sky and Bob really early on and we REALLY should have gone through with those two lmao

nomnomnom · Sun May 26, 2019 7:31 am

note to self: stop buying gambits from someone that uses AtE constantly lol. Was really stupid of me.

nomnomnom · Sun May 26, 2019 7:52 am

In post 3174, rosterfoster wrote:Also please everyone ignore the part in the scum PT where I thought we could quickhammer Nero btu I had in fact already been lynched.

already saved sorry

nomnomnom · Sun May 26, 2019 9:49 am

I softed that I was mason with Axe through a soft d1 because he was getting pushed really hard. I honestly never rolled mason because it wasn't a thing in other mafia sites so I went with "save my mason partner from getting lynched". I honestly don't know if that was the best play but that's I went with, so yeah.

nomnomnom · Sun May 26, 2019 11:56 pm

@Nero I think you played well, your posting was pretty townie and I found it easy to trust you in early F7. Better commitment from us all would have probably sealed the game.

@Eevee sorry for having said you were dumb MD lol, but I legit felt so confused by a lot of your actions