Mini 589: SSBB Smalltown Mafia (Game Over!)

[dahill1]

well, i shouldn't have said "people". i meant AK

[Anatole Kuragin]

Does anyone want to give me more questions/comments on my posts?

I find Gorrad suspicious too, but is it for any reason other than his scummy guard action and OMGUS vote?

[The Fonz]

Which is exactly why it is WIFOM, because he could be thinking something like "If I claim to have protected the 1-shot vig, then no one will think I am scum because I wouldn't have chosen to protect him if I was scum".
Also, I don't really understand what your last sentence is trying to say. Does it just mean that protecting the vig makes him look town?

No, it doesn't mean that. It's like this. 'I could choose to make a protection choice that is really odd and will bring me under a ton of scrutiny. Some people may think this is a strange choice for scum. Alternatively, I could just make a protection that makes sense, and it's a complete non-issue.'

Making that decision makes some people more suspicious of him, and some not. It doesn't make ANYONE less suspicious of him than they were before. Therefore, he's either town who thinks it was a good choice, or scum who would have though it a good choice were he town.

What I mean is this: I think protecting the one-shot vig does not make him look scummier. It does not make him town, either.

[Gorrad]

If I was scum, I'd have roleblocked Gob so Dahill would kill Fonz and the blame would fall on Gob. If for no other reason, than the fact that I did not do that should make y'all less suspicious.

[The Fonz]

If I was scum, I'd have roleblocked Gob so Dahill would kill Fonz and the blame would fall on Gob. If for no other reason, than the fact that I did not do that should make y'all less suspicious.

I don't like this 'if i were scum, I would definitely have...'

Roleblocking Gob gets you vigged the night after, because at least one of dahill and anderson would have to be town in that scenario. Two for one may or may not be worth it, but it's not a slam dunk.

[Anatole Kuragin]

well, i shouldn't have said "people". i meant AK

I was referring to the preceding posts that were all about you and gob. Did you read them?

If I was scum, I'd have roleblocked Gob so Dahill would kill Fonz and the blame would fall on Gob. If for no other reason, than the fact that I did not do that should make y'all less suspicious.[/quote

And this is 100% WIFOM.

[Anatole Kuragin]

EBWOP

If I was scum, I'd have roleblocked Gob so Dahill would kill Fonz and the blame would fall on Gob. If for no other reason, than the fact that I did not do that should make y'all less suspicious.

[Gorrad]

Oh, and the WIFOM-calling begins, naturally. Tell me, if you were scum, would YOU trade yourself in for two powerful roles as well as stopping anyone else from being confirmed? I sure as hell would.

[Lawrencelot]

Unvote; vote Gorrad

. I'm usually not into wifom arguments, but what he said here is, like AK said, 100% wifom.

[The Fonz]

Oh, and the WIFOM-calling begins, naturally. Tell me, if you were scum, would YOU trade yourself in for two powerful roles as well as stopping anyone else from being confirmed? I sure as hell would.

Let's see.

Go to night, eleven alive, of which two scum.

Roleblock Gob, and have your buddy kill someone else. Let's assume that is CKD, which removes the possibility of you getting caught in the act straightaway (although there is still the chance of him being protected or bodyguarded).

Two town down, with one poisoned. Town lynch of Gob, assuming that nothing else points to the roleblock. So we go to the following night with four living town including a possible SK (unless Gob, me, or your target from night one is the SK).

If the SK crosskills on the night you roleblock Gob, the mafia loses there and then, with you being outed.

If the SK hits town, we know that dahill is not your buddy, since he poisoned me, so couldn't have performed the mafia kill. So it does confirm someone after a fashion.

If the SK is me, then I become poisoned, you lynch Gob as town, and it's probably marginally beneficial.

So basically:

In the case of crosskill of your buddy, loses you the game
In the case of no crosskill and neither Gob nor I being SK, then it has the mafia group going to night 5-1-2, with you guaranteed to die. You wake up either 3-1-1 or 4-1. This isn't a slamdunk.
Then there's the situation where Gob or I are. Gob likely points out that he was roleblocked if he gets lynched.
Then there's the situation where you're scum WITH GOB.

[Gorrad]

You think too much.

[The Fonz]

If you can't accept that it doesn't clear you to have not done something that, if you were actually scum, would have a 10% chance of losing you the game THERE and THEN, then it's not me thinking too much but you thinking too little.

[pickemgenius]

mom had a bad allergic reaction to some medications she was taking and went to the ER.
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[iamausername]

Well, this game's really ground to a halt. Let's get on with lynching anderson already, come on guys.

[Gorrad]

Still happy with AK. I'll swap to Anderson if it's too close to deadline though.

[The Fonz]

What do you make of my rationale for thinking AK likely town, Gorrad?

[Gorrad]

I must have missed that post. Where was it?

[Xdaamno]

Prodded Lawrencelot, Anatole Kuragin, dahill1, goborage and andersonw.

Get moving.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'm here, just nothing happening.

[Lawrencelot]

Gorrad's last posts don't convince me of him not being scum. Mod: can we have a votecount?

[dahill1]

sorry for not posting!
ok trying to get some discussion going. username i'm not sure if you already answered this but what do you think of your predecessor's behavior (JamesthePhox) at the end of day 1?

[andersonw]

Does anyone want to give me more questions/comments on my posts?

I find Gorrad suspicious too, but is it for any reason other than his scummy guard action and OMGUS vote?

Well, he also hasn't contributed much, and he's playing way differently from the other mini I was in with him (although he was a cult recruiter in that game, so I'm not sure what to make of it).
But still, the main reason for me thinking Gorrad is scum because of his night choice, and now he's bringing in more WIFOM about his choice.

No, it doesn't mean that. It's like this. 'I could choose to make a protection choice that is really odd and will bring me under a ton of scrutiny. Some people may think this is a strange choice for scum. Alternatively, I could just make a protection that makes sense, and it's a complete non-issue.'

Making that decision makes some people more suspicious of him, and some not. It doesn't make ANYONE less suspicious of him than they were before. Therefore, he's either town who thinks it was a good choice, or scum who would have though it a good choice were he town.

I get what you mean by this, but it made you less suspicious of him (or, at least, it seemed like it, judging from your posts), so if that is the case, then it is WIFOM. If your logic is true and no one becomes less suspicious of him for his choice, then it won't be WIFOM, but I don't think that is the case here.

Well, this game's really ground to a halt. Let's get on with lynching anderson already, come on guys.

You didn't respond to my recent points, what do you think about them?

[goborage]

Well, this game's really ground to a halt. Let's get on with lynching anderson already, come on guys.

I'm with you. Let's get'em fellas!

[Anatole Kuragin]

Since he's just WIFOMing and has no believable explanation for his vote:

Vote: Gorrad

[Anatole Kuragin]

EBWOP: his action, not vote.