Mafia 78: Meta Breaking Mafia 1 - Game over!

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

I travelling to China these next couple of days. No access until Wednesday.

[Guardian]

Vote Count #39

Toaster Strudel[3]: (Tarhalindur, Machiavellian-Mafia, Surye)
shaft.ed[2]: (Gorrad, Toaster Strudel)


Not Voting[5]: (the silent speaker, pickemgenius, elias_the_thief, shaft.ed, Kison)

[Elias_the_thief]

Anyone want to actually present a case on me?

[shaft.ed]

Anyone want to actually present a case on me?

Think it mostly boils down to you defending both of the dead scum.

[Elias_the_thief]

Both? *raised eyebrow* I dont think I defended rosso. I said that I had seen him play like that before. I didn't apply a protown of antitown sentiment towards him based off that. Do people really think I would be dumb enough to try to defend my scumbuddy when hes about to be lynched at deadline, especially with such a weak defense?
"My buddys about to be lynched. I know, I'll connect myself to him without accomplishing anything beneficial to my team!"
Ridiculous. Seems to be a bit of reach to lynch me for that. As for Adel, there literally were no good points against her. Given ABRs retarded campaign against her, defending Adel was completely reasonable.

Suspect list kinda:

Nothing impressive from MM.
Kisons jump on RC at deadline seems a bus.
And then theres tar

I want a lynch, but I do NOT want a Rosso lynch (Rosso is acting like Rosso, who would be better off being investigated and/or vigged, and appears to be inactive to boot). I strongly believe that there are multiple mafia on that wagon (probably shaft.ed and Kison).

In the interests of getting a lynch,

Unvote

TSS: content?

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I dont get the TS lynch at all really. The case on shafted is lacking. I'm more in the TSS lynchin kind of mood, lurkerscum extroadinaire.

vote: TSS

[shaft.ed]

Elias I'd agree with you on Tar, but the game situation largely indicates he is a genuine cop.

I also agree that I'm not liking TSS a whole lot either. What's the difference in TS's lurking and TSS's lurking however?

[Elias_the_thief]

Yeah, I know but he still strikes me as scum =/ Maybe my scumdars off or maybe hes played geniusly.

TSS has been around the entire game, and has been more lurking in plain sight than the normal type. Additionally TS claims a reason for absense.

[shaft.ed]

Yeah, I know but he still strikes me as scum =/ Maybe my scumdars off or maybe hes played geniusly.

No I've turned off my Tar scumdar for now. If there wasn't a lack of a NK I'd be more suspicious since I didn't really expect a Cop in this game.

[shaft.ed]

EBWOP: Not just the cop claim against him. That wasn't clear in the above.

[Toaster Strudel]

I won't be here tomorrow, and I won't be here much of today, I am an importer and I have to pick up some merchandise across the US-Canada border, I will be gone for quite some time.

Before I leave I'd like to point out that except for Tar, my wagon is made up of LAZY SCUM bidding their time hoping for a deadline lynch, and it's clear they prefer to lynch me over Elias.

I strongly suggest that you switch you votes.

[the silent speaker]

My top three for the next few deaths:
1. TS
2. Elias
3. Kison

Ten alive:
Kison
Surye
the silent speaker
Tarhalindur
Gorrad (r. Ectomancer day 1 page 19)
shaft.ed
pickemgenius
elias_the_thief
Toaster Strudel (r. farside22 day 2 page 30)
Machiavellian-Mafia

Of those, we know that Surye, Tar, Gorrad, and PEG are not the last mafiae. I know that I'm not, and I surmise that Mach is not, which leaves four people, three of them named above. (The fourth, shaft.ed, is one I want to save for tomorrow and the next day*, because I feel there is a significant case waiting to be made and it deserves a full day's attention.) On the basis of game size I posit that there are two remaining mafiae, so the deaths of two will either expose the last two as obvious, or reveal which person the last scum was defending which in turn will enable a sounder case against that scum.

* -- Remember that tomorrow is -- eventually -- Gorrad's lynch irrespective of today's and tomorrow's happenings, unless the game ends without getting that far.

[Kison]

I would rather lynch Elias, but whatever.

- Illogically defended the lonely Coolbot during Day One because he didn't find his continued demand that Surye claim to be scummy. Honestly, who here thinks Coolbot's play surrounding this was smart?

- Winds up gunning for ABR over Adel.

- One of the people actually pushing to

lynch

Surye during Day Two over the dying Surye wagon and Adel's involvement in it. Was a nice thing to look at and keep in mind but hardly lynch worthy. Same goes for Shaft.ed on this one(and possibly others).

- Only see two or three places where he mentions Rosso Carne. One he says he's scumhunting and looks good. The other he says he thinks he's seen him play like he has before(why was this mentioned? I don't get it).

Vote : Elias

I will move this in order to prevent a deadline nolynch. Order isn't hugely important but TS is right about roleblocking preventing a no-kill. Vote the one you thinks is most likely to be scum.

[shaft.ed]

Of those, we know that Surye, Tar, Gorrad, and PEG are not the last mafiae. I know that I'm not, and I surmise that Mach is not, which leaves four people, three of them named above. (The fourth, shaft.ed, is one I want to save for tomorrow and the next day*, because I feel there is a significant case waiting to be made and it deserves a full day's attention.) On the basis of game size I posit that there are two remaining mafiae, so the deaths of two will either expose the last two as obvious, or reveal which person the last scum was defending which in turn will enable a sounder case against that scum.

Where do you get PEG and Surye being cleared? Sure Surye claimed mason but he hasn't posted whether his partner, and thus himself, is a confirmed innocent. And yes PEG hinted at being his partner but I never saw a genuine claim. Did I miss something?

[pickemgenius]

shit im here



hello again

[Surye]

Of those, we know that Surye, Tar, Gorrad, and PEG are not the last mafiae. I know that I'm not, and I surmise that Mach is not, which leaves four people, three of them named above. (The fourth, shaft.ed, is one I want to save for tomorrow and the next day*, because I feel there is a significant case waiting to be made and it deserves a full day's attention.) On the basis of game size I posit that there are two remaining mafiae, so the deaths of two will either expose the last two as obvious, or reveal which person the last scum was defending which in turn will enable a sounder case against that scum.

Where do you get PEG and Surye being cleared? Sure Surye claimed mason but he hasn't posted whether his partner, and thus himself, is a confirmed innocent. And yes PEG hinted at being his partner but I never saw a genuine claim. Did I miss something?

I've stated multiple times it's not confirmed.

[pickemgenius]

Kison- no mention of from ADEL

Surye- p sure surye is town atm, mostly from adel's actions

the silent speaker- no mention of from adel

Tarhalindur- no mention fom adel

Gorrad (r. Ectomancer day 1 page 19)=no mention fom adel . lots of snippits about ecto though

shaft.ed- no real mention till late in that day, then mostly agreeing with shaft.ed

elias_the_thief- no real mention fom adel

Toaster Strudel (r. farside22 day 2 page 30)no huge mention of farside really

Machiavellian-Mafia-no mention fom adel then vote and semi attack



SO... just looking from ADEL's posts only... i don't like MM or shaft.ed really

i know ive missed a shit ton of stuff so this is really weak feelings from me atm.

[Toaster Strudel]

I'm leaving to blow glass all day in a few minutes.

I'm the doctor, fools.

Congratulations on the stupidest wagon in history.

Last night I protected Tarhalindur.

[Toaster Strudel]

My predecessor didn't sent in a choice on N2, on N1 farside protected Elias.

[shaft.ed]

All rightie. No reason to kill TS then.

I'd prefer either a Elias/TSS combo or just lynching Gorrad.

Might consider MM, but I've got to reread him for that.

[Surye]

Well, I see no reason not to believe TS, wish she hadn't been lurking in plain sight.

Okay, I stated before I wanted a Elias wagon, and shaft.ed distracted it. Lets have it now.

Unvote, Vote: Elias

Gorad-Vote: TSS.

I think shaft.ed is town, and I think he has the right idea.

[shaft.ed]

OK rereading MM there were some odd instances around the deadline yesterday.

First there is this post. It comes at a time where Surye is being wagoned.

After rereading, I find Rosso's play to be just as bad as PEG's. He always seemed to push for certain players' lynches without backing them up with votes. FOS: Rosso

I also revisited the derailment of the Surye wagon, and I find some validity in the Adel/Surye connection. Adel first derails that wagon by subtly complying with ABR's request of "we should all lower our guns", then immediately switches to me for the misrepresented reason of "putting him at L-1" when my vote was L-2. After that Adel fakes re-voting Surye, as if to paint the picture he is trying to undo the derailment. Then the CoolBot wagon gained strength with Adel hopping onto that as well, and Adel rarely if ever mentioned Surye again.

Thus,

Unvote, Vote: Surye

. I believe that's L-2.

So this could easily be seen as classic FoS your partner vote the townie play.

But then once Surye claims mason MM has a different set of secondary suspects:

I currently buy Surye's claim, because as others have said, his partner can confirm him. With the deadline coming up soon I will reread specifically at Tar and to a lesser extent Ecto/Gorrad since they seem to be the two most likely lynches to happen today. I will reach a decision later today.

This post becomes a Gorrad vote once his wagon gets moving.

Then he comes in at the very end of the Rosso wagon to add his vote.

I can go with the plan regarding Gorrad and Xtoxm. I also have no problem with a Rosso lynch, as I have expressed suspicion before and Surye made some valid analysis. I believe this vote will be the 6th vote, or L-1:

Unvote, Vote: Rosso

The only thing I don't like about the MM prospect is that he's gone until Wed, is that after the deadline would hit? Not a big fan of lynching someone that can't defend themselves especially with all the times we've been trying to run up power roles in this game.

[Guardian]

6 hours 'til deadline .

[Surye]

6 hours 'til deadline .

Does that warning come with a vote count?

[shaft.ed]

Gorrad please get a post up so we can confirm you are willing to NK a selected target.

If not I will deadline vote Gorrad. If he is not able to be lynched, I will deadline vote whoever is that is not a claimed power role.

Everyone voting for TS please unvote.

[shaft.ed]

gotta love the participation.

mod second the request for a vote count.