Mini 2090 CYS: AtmosFEAR of Terrors

[kuribo]

I don't hate Plum's posts, I think she's tunneling you

I don't like Maria's quote unquote contributions, I feel like accusations of jester are more likely to come from scum, least of all "I don't care if we give him a win, just kill it"

It's like, suppose you were a jester, or some other "I must get myself lynched" mechanic. It's a bastard game, designed by LLD. Who's to say you'd win by getting lynched, or even removed from the game? It's just as likely such a mechanic (if it existed) would do the opposite like make you more powerful or give you a vengeance shot or something. I don't like Maria's immediate jump to the conclusion she made, even if she thought you were trying to get mislynched. And even that last point is a stretch because you answered a question that was asked of you anyway.

[Gamma Emerald]

Scumhunting zero?

What

I’m being accused of doing no scumhunting, despite the fact that it’s practically impossible to do when two-thirds of the playerlist hasn’t done anything except say how omg scummy Pine is.

I’m going to be honest, I’m a little upset with this game.

Why did you say "scumhunting zero" though? Looks like you mixed words

[Gamma Emerald]

Kuribo, take a look at Plum. So far she’s the only one really pinging my scumdar

What about the other people on your scumlist

[Pine]

The black key is a thing in this game
I don't care it's just a pain
Pine ain't a hero
His scumhunting's zero
CHOO CHOO ON THE LYNCH TRAIN

218 was a direct response to this.

And for (at least) the third or fourth time, 87 was a simple list of people voting me, not a readslist.

Are you even reading? Why do I have to answer the same question the same way this many times within 48 hours?

[Pine]

I think I need a break from this game, put it down for a while. I’m starting to take this shit personally, and I’d prefer to avoid a kuribo-style detonation

[Plum]

Okay, let's be real here. We don't get a flip on the lynch. Townhunting is very very valuable in this setup. Anyone who's claiming to have trouble scumhunting, at least try to complement your efforts with Townhunting.

TL thinks Pine is scummy, thinks the Black Key stuff could be a Townslip, disbelieves one of his posts because, quote, "it has a bad limerick". I don't even. Why. Why this game. And yes, if I have to spell it out for you, I do read TL as pretty scummy.

Skygazer, MariaR need to get in here and post more so I can read you guys more pls.

Hebi-chan, the first time you had the Black Key you did

not

receive it via the post-bracketing method.

GreyICE's reads are good, no surprise.

It's bizarre as hell that Pine gets called out for zero scum hunting in a game that's basically been "Pine is scum, here's some pictures, send me a key, don't ask what keys everyone needs, oh shit there's a black key"

Pine stated with some conviction that scum were driving his early wagon - before I voted him. I've asked him who among the four players voting him at that time seemed like the scum reaching for the "low-hanging fruit" he portrayed himself as. He not only had no idea, he has shown zero interest in probing their motivations or otherwise further developing reads on them. I'm skeptical that he lacks the means and material for scumhunting given that. That's what I got, that's where it stands, I won't harp any more unless someone somehow needs further clarification. This is not intended to reengage Pine when he needs a break to forestall frustration, just clarifying from me that the "lack of scumhunting" accusation here holds weight for me given the circumstances and Pine's own statements.

NotKnown15 needs to start posting now~ also Implo thx

[kuribo]

There's a significant difference between

"I'm sure there's scum on my wagon," and "I know who they are."

I've done both but the former is more common. It's not really a conclusion, more like a jump off point

[Plum]

I'd agree if he showed any interest in dipping a toe into the pool, let alone jumping in.

[kuribo]

The lurkaderp rule, which is as close to ironclad as any tactic I've ever put forth is that there's always at least one scum in the bottom three or four posters. The corollary is that there's usually another scum in the top three or four.

I've worked on that thought over a number of years, most scum teams have a workhorse.

[kuribo]

I'd agree if he showed any interest in dipping a toe into the pool, let alone jumping in.

It was still early game at the time though, how much wading do you expect after what was it? Three? Four pages?

[TemporalLich]

I want to townread Alisae, but the deathtunneling of Pine (evident in 146) just makes me want to disagree with townreading Alisae.

Same applies to GreyICE, the post restriction sucks when it comes to scumcasing (evident in 217) but I still have to take the case with a crystal of salt

Katsuki is strange, but if I had to give a read, I'd say null!scumlean with 200 being the worst post (though I think it could be a meme)

230 at least looks good from a distance...

I agree with 222's sentiment, but that probably isn't a town-AI post

pedit: lurkers are probably not where the town is

[Gamma Emerald]

The lurkaderp rule, which is as close to ironclad as any tactic I've ever put forth is that there's always at least one scum in the bottom three or four posters. The corollary is that there's usually another scum in the top three or four.

I've worked on that thought over a number of years, most scum teams have a workhorse.

I agree with this sentiment, this is the template for most games

[GreyICE]

I’m being accused of doing no scumhunting, despite the fact that it’s practically impossible to do when two-thirds of the playerlist hasn’t done anything except say how omg scummy Pine is.

I’m going to be honest, I’m a little upset with this game.

It's CYS, you couldn't have missed
We can scumhunt with a player list
A shitty reaction
No excuse for inaction
Burn this, TL next, don't care who is pissed.

[Pine]

Then what was the list of people if not a readlist, sounds like having your cake and eating it too.

I collected together everyone who was voting, took a look at them individually, collectively, and decided mid-post that it was too early to have any kind of real opinion about most of them. Ali and sky didn't give real reasons iirc, Grey and Kats were specifically meta reasons, and Plum was opportunistic. Only the last of those is at all AI, so I decided not to do the full thing.

This isn't weird, and I feel I've thoroughly explained myself.

(

Merci, Madame!

? I don't know if I count, some dickhole slipped me the Black Key.)

I’ve already responded to Plum’s assertion that I had no interest in that list of five. At the time, Plum was the only one of them who’d done anything at all AI outside of voting for me, and I was scumreading her before that anyway

[GreyICE]

The lurkaderp rule, which is as close to ironclad as any tactic I've ever put forth is that there's always at least one scum in the bottom three or four posters. The corollary is that there's usually another scum in the top three or four.

I've worked on that thought over a number of years, most scum teams have a workhorse.

I agree with this sentiment, this is the template for most games

Are you two scumfucks insane
Perhaps you are missing a brain?
Lurk from demotivation
In a CYS formation
Don't pick scum! Problem solved, no shame

[Pine]

I’m being accused of doing no scumhunting, despite the fact that it’s practically impossible to do when two-thirds of the playerlist hasn’t done anything except say how omg scummy Pine is.

I’m going to be honest, I’m a little upset with this game.

It's CYS, you couldn't have missed
We can scumhunt with a player list
A shitty reaction
No excuse for inaction
Burn this, TL next, don't care who is pissed.

No, you can’t scumhunt.

You can make meta guesses, and that’s it. I picked Town *specifically* to avoid this, and a meta argument is tantamount to WIFOM

So, are you going to hide behind your fake-ass post restriction all game, or are you going to stop using it as an excuse not to do anything eventually? Seems to me that Alisae has made eir thoughts known just fine despite a real PR, whereas you’ve harped and mocked on one or two topics while avoiding anything else

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: GreyICE
What the hell is your deal

[Pine]

No you can’t scumhunt solely from a playerlist*

That read differently that intended

[Plum]

Pine, why do you keep implying that GreyICE's post restriction is faked? And if you do think that, how do you read him?

[Gamma Emerald]

Like how is your reaction to me and kuribo discussing scum posting frequencies "OMG DONT PICK SCUM ITS SIMPLE!!!111"

[Pine]

Pine, why do you keep implying that GreyICE's post restriction is faked? And if you do think that, how do you read him?

A) He’s not actually sticking to the form of a limerick, but LLD isn’t busting him
B) His alleged post restriction is incompatible with the real inflicted one we’ve seen given out
C) GreyICE is

exactly

the kind of player to fake a post restriction in a playerlist like this, then use the ‘restriction’ as a shield to give limited and trite explanations

[Pine]

Oh and D) It doesn’t make sense from a setup perspective to have all of these events, curses, and added shenanigans, but also have one player hobbled the whole game. You’d just use the limerick PR as an event/curse etc

[GreyICE]

Like how is your reaction to me and kuribo discussing scum posting frequencies "OMG DONT PICK SCUM ITS SIMPLE!!!111"

Do you think a player in CYS
Wanting to do their very best
Then picks scum
For the freedom
To post nothing at all as a jest?

[Plum]

Oh and D) It doesn’t make sense from a setup perspective to have all of these events, curses, and added shenanigans, but also have one player hobbled the whole game. You’d just use the limerick PR as an event/curse etc

... so what do you make of GreyICE faking this?

[kuribo]

The lurkaderp rule, which is as close to ironclad as any tactic I've ever put forth is that there's always at least one scum in the bottom three or four posters. The corollary is that there's usually another scum in the top three or four.

I've worked on that thought over a number of years, most scum teams have a workhorse.

I agree with this sentiment, this is the template for most games

Are you two scumfucks insane
Perhaps you are missing a brain?
Lurk from demotivation
In a CYS formation
Don't pick scum! Problem solved, no shame

I didn't say they're lurking from demotivation, some people more passively play scum or let more experienced partners take the point. And I forgot it was CYS.

Calm yoself the fuck down
Make a smile out of your frown
Post restrictions suck
I get that you're stuck
Something something verb noun

I'm bad at limericks