Mini 589: SSBB Smalltown Mafia (Game Over!)

[Lawrencelot]

Stop with the plan! Ok, iama is the SK. Let's say we did perform this plan, so dahill poisons Gorrad and Gorrad kills me. Then, if:
1) I'm scum: town wins
2) Gorrad is scum: town wins
3) dahill is scum: scum wins

I don't think we can risk this. Let me try to think of a way around this. In any case, dahill should poison Gorrad.

[Lawrencelot]

If dahill poisons Gorrad and Gorrad kills dahill, then, if:
1) I'm scum: scum wins
2) Gorrad is scum: town wins
3) dahill is scum: town wins.

Hm, also 2/3 chance...

[Lawrencelot]

Gah. Why did Gorrad hammer iama so soon... he's most probably scum, so either plan will work.

[Lawrencelot]

Wait, iama isn't dead yet! Gorrad, you forgot about his role (and so did others?)

[Lawrencelot]

Ok let's see. dahill poisons Gorrad, and Gorrad kills me, and mafia kills iama. Then, if:
1) I'm scum: town wins
2) Gorrad is scum: iama wins
3) dahill is scum: iama wins

Dahill poisons Gorrad, and Gorrad kills dahill, and mafia kills iama. Then, if:
1): I'm scum: town wins
2) Gorrad is scum: iama wins
3) dahill is scum: iama wins

Someone needs to kill iama!

[Lawrencelot]

Oh I forgot iama's kill. Now I don't know the best options anymore.
If dahill is scum: iama should kill dahill, Gorrad should kill iama.
If Gorrad is scum: iama should kill Gorrad, dahill should poison iama.
If I'm scum: iama should kill me, Gorrad or dahill should kill iama.

But we can't rely on iama. Hm...

[Lawrencelot]

Ok let's do it this way. I hope iama wants the town to win, rather than the mafia, but they played like crap anyway. Iamausername targets dahill. Gorrad kills iamausername. Dahill kills gorrad.

If dahill is town, and he thinks that I'm scum rather than Gorrad, he targets me. I'd rather let the least scummy player decide who's going to win, than the SK or Gorrad.

And sorry for the x-tuple posting.

[Gorrad]

IAAUN IS dead, and Dahil is confirmed. There was, no doubt, a scum kill last night, and we have proof that Dahil used his ability. Scum cannot do both. Therefore he is confirmed.

[The Fonz]

3 deaths
the good news is that we caught another mafia

vote iamusername

this should be pretty obvious since Gob targetted him and died
now all we need is the SK, which clears me and Fonz since both of us have been proved not to be the killer

Explain how we know Iam is mafia and not SK?

OK, it's pretty simple. Fonz is confirmed town, so no need to worry about him.

dahill posions Gorrad
Gorrad vigs Lawrencelot

If Lawrencelot is flips scum, town rejoice, game is over.
If Lawrencelot is flips town, Gorrad is poisoned and will die anyway, so lynch dahill, just in case. If Gorrad is not poisoned, lynch dahill for not following the plan.
If Lawrencelot doesn't die, lynch Gorrad for not following the plan.

Now everybody

Vote: iamausername

and get on with it.

Hang on though- I believe a death stump scum can still kill, and win. The only thing it states that a death stump cannot vote. We need gorrad to vig IAMAUSERNAME tonight!

Ok let's do it this way. I hope iama wants the town to win, rather than the mafia, but they played like crap anyway. Iamausername targets dahill. Gorrad kills iamausername. Dahill kills gorrad.

When I'm the SK, I always prefer scum wins to town wins. Same as when there's multiple scumgroups- i consider a town win the worst outcome.

We also have to hope Iam is actually SK, and not mafia.

Gorrad is almost certainly our last scum, since he's claimed something impossible.

I'm actually thinking Gorrad is the correct lynch here, since it would take an NK out of the game. Poison AND lynch Iam. I don't believe we can trust in using Gorrad's kill, as he's scum.

If we lynch Iam, Gorrad can kill two town players with his vig ability, and eliminate the town.

[The Fonz]

Wait- has someone hammered already?

WE CANNOT AFFORD TO LYNCH IAM TODAY!!!!!

[Gorrad]

I can NOT target two people. IAAUN has claimed SK. If I'm Mafia, then I cannot perform two actions.

Mod:

Can the Ice Climers use a night action if only one of them is killed?

If the answer is no, we win, if it's yes then I'm really sorry and let's hope for some good luck.

[Lawrencelot]

dahill is not mafia. Iam claimed SK, so he's probably SK. Thus, dahill is town. Gorrad, as a mafia, has to kill iamausername, the SK, in order to win. If he doesn't, iamausername will probably win. As long as dahill kills Gorrad and Gorrad kills iamausername, I think the town will win. Gorrad, you don't want the SK to win, do you?

When I'm the SK, I always prefer scum wins to town wins. Same as when there's multiple scumgroups- i consider a town win the worst outcome.

Why's that? When I'm the SK and I have a choice, I let those win who deserve to. There's no point in letting the scum win, town win is no worse outcome than scum win when you're SK. And in this game, the scum sucked, I'd eat my hat if they win this game.

[The Fonz]

Thank fuck for that. I nearly had a heart attack there.

You're right, Gorradafia can only kill once if Iam is SK.

There's actually a way for Iam to turn this into a mafia win. I'd hope he wouldn't, but I can't rule it out.

[iamausername]

Wait, iama isn't dead yet! Gorrad, you forgot about his role (and so did others?)

Damn, you're right. That totally slipped my mind.

I love how Lawrencelot's ultimate conclusion is that, even with my kill being directed, he should be left alive. That's brilliant.

[Lawrencelot]

Gorrad, you don't need to target two people, you just have to target iamausername, ok? Whether it is with your mafia kill or the other kill, that doesn't matter.

Dahill, you kill Gorrad ok? Then we don't have to depend on iamausername for us to win. If Fonz stays alive, town will win if the mafia and SK are dead.

[The Fonz]

dahill is not mafia. Iam claimed SK, so he's probably SK. Thus, dahill is town. Gorrad, as a mafia, has to kill iamausername, the SK, in order to win. If he doesn't, iamausername will probably win. As long as dahill kills Gorrad and Gorrad kills iamausername, I think the town will win. Gorrad, you don't want the SK to win, do you?

The SK has to die for a mafia win, but the SK is currently not the greatest threat to the scum. The town is. If we lynch iam and poison Gorrad, Gorrad can't win, but the two scum can co-operate in killing town tonight, and lynching the surviving town player tomorrow for an SK win.

When I'm the SK, I always prefer scum wins to town wins. Same as when there's multiple scumgroups- i consider a town win the worst outcome.

Why's that? When I'm the SK and I have a choice, I let those win who deserve to. There's no point in letting the scum win, town win is no worse outcome than scum win when you're SK. And in this game, the scum sucked, I'd eat my hat if they win this game.

Honour amongst thieves.

[Lawrencelot]

Wait, iama isn't dead yet! Gorrad, you forgot about his role (and so did others?)

Damn, you're right. That totally slipped my mind.

I love how Lawrencelot's ultimate conclusion is that, even with my kill being directed, he should be left alive. That's brilliant.

If you want me dead, you can use your kill on either me or the Fonz, that doesn't matter. Either way, one of me and Fonz stay alive, and you'll lose. Nanananana

[Gorrad]

If IAAUN CAN still kill, a thought that honestly didn't occur to me when I voted, then I'll kill him and we have to hope that he and Lawrence target the same person with their kills. If they don't, we lose.

Wait. Huh.

Mod:

If ice climbers are death stumped, anti-town and alive with one other person (pro-town), do they win?

[iamausername]

Lawrencelot is pretty clearly the last mafia, btw. Vig him, Gorrad.

[Gorrad]

Once the mod answers my questions, I'll decide.

Dang, it might come to me deciding whether I want the mafia to win or the SK ><.

[Xdaamno]

I'll do the lynch scene when I get home, but I'd like to note I do

not

approve of twilight talk. Quiet, guys.

Mod: In an endgame situation with 2 town 1 scum and the scum has just been poisoned, who wins if there is a mislynch?

Scum; they immediately endgame the town.

Mod: If ice climbers are death stumped, anti-town and alive with one other person (pro-town), do they win?

Yes.

[Gorrad]

Mod:

Can the Ice Climers use a night action if only one of them is killed?

[The Fonz]

If IAAUN CAN still kill, a thought that honestly didn't occur to me when I voted, then I'll kill him and we have to hope that he and Lawrence target the same person with their kills. If they don't, we lose.

Wait. Huh.

Mod:

If ice climbers are death stumped, anti-town and alive with one other person (pro-town), do they win?

I presume they lose, since a majority of available votes is there to lynch them.

[Xdaamno]

Mod:

Can the Ice Climers use a night action if only one of them is killed?

Yes.

[The Fonz]

Mod: If ice climbers are death stumped, anti-town and alive with one other person (pro-town), do they win?

Yes.

That contradicts their win condition.