Sorry I ain't posted in a while. Got a vacation to go on soon and so getting ready for that has taken a bit too much of my time.
Ok I read through post 248. Yay I think i may have been reading to much into IcemanE's words there since he did explain most of that stuff already. I think that perhaps I was trying too hard to get a read on him at that moment since I originally had an early scum read on him then he posted some stuff I liked and then back again. I'll explain my current view of him later on.
I also read Rishi's 235 and Blonde's 238. Rishi's reason for voting Blonde confuses me.
Rishi wrote:My vote is on Mr. Blonde because I'm not 100% sure he's savvy enough to realize he should be more helpful as scum.
I don't entirely understand that reason. I at least understand the comments Mr. Blonde brings up. And I'd like know if Rishi has a response to Mr. Blonde's post #235 since he never directly gave one.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 65#1110765
In any event in reading their posts, I feel I should bring something I found a while back up, since some aspects of their posts might be going too far.
"too townie" fallacy. Scum will scum hunt in this game since there are two scum groups, but they won't be truly/honestly too helpful. Being too helpful gets you night killed. Getting crosskilled by the other scum group is not something scum wants. People with stuff to hide usually ain't helpful for fear of the night kill.
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I read over Korts 251. I don't see the logic behind calling some posts:
Korts wrote:Post 23: again, trying to rationalize a D1 mislynch.
And I hate this comment
Korts wrote:Go see for yourself.
Overdefensiveness without reason is the sign of paranoid scum
. weak scumtell
can't say I agree with most of his opinions on the weak scum tells either, but its not like disagreement is also a scum tell. His replacement has a job infront of him.
Other people with jobs infront of them include Grimmy, Surye, Celbloki and Mr. blonde. Grimmy and Surye still ain't gotten to the questions I asked them earlier at the start of this post.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 85#1113685
Celebloki and Mr. Blonde just need to post since they ain't done it in a awhile. I got no questions for them at the moment except "Can't you post?". These people just need to talk. I am having trouble trusting any kind of read on them. I fear they may be going to far under the radar. with their activity.
I feel Rishi and Tekactus have posted more content than the aforementioned. The recent hate for Tek and Rishi on the aspect of low content posting/lurking is BS because others have done worse. The only good piece of evidence I seen on tekkactus possibly being scum, is right here:
icemanE wrote:Tek (209) wrote:I'm starting to see why farside is L2.
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Distancing, and then defense
, which comes from post 255, quoted above in this post.
The distancing - defense model of scum partners is a fairly common tactic.
Tek distances but does not vote her when she's near a lynch, then begins to defend her when people start to fall off her wagon.
Tekkactus's view of Farside did change dramatically in there.
I also very much like the recent views icemanE brought up on korts.
icemanE wrote:My suspicion of Korts is based mostly on what I mentioned earlier - the scum in this game need to be protown for more reasons than just to appear that way. If this were a game without two scumteams, I'd say his PBPA's were just extraneous and more or less unnecesary - the targets he choses to analyze (other than farside, perhaps) seem opputunistic, as they tend to focus on the leading wagons (other than the rofl PBPA which was just strange) especially when you look at the results they yield - almost entirely weak scumtells that are debatable in their validity. Since this a two scumteam game,
I see these PBPA's as an attempt to both appear protown and potentially cast suspicion on whoever happens to look scummiest at the time
- he's gotta get rid of those other scum too.
icemanE wrote: unlike
Korts, whose PBPA's are relatively shallow attempts at DEMONSTRATING protownness
, and...
I feel alot better about icemanE because of postings like this. His comments about Rishi and Tekactus lurking are a bit off when you consider other players are worse, but either way He is definatly moving out of my original 4 scum list.
farside22 wrote:If Rishi, IcemanE, Kortz and Farside really are all the scum, beers will be on me at the after party.
I'm agreeing with IcemanE and Kortz but can this say or instead of and so I can get that drink.
So sadly no one might be getting drinks bought by me, except for of course me.
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As far as the recent icemanE and dcorbe conversation goes I think it did make them both look childish aswell. dcorbe's vote on icemanE for those reasons isn't the greatest either. I think there are scummier players out there for you to vote and scumhunt. As far as the idea that icemanE and dcorbe are scum together goes, I severly doubt all that was distancing. If they were to turn up as scum together, my jaw would drop ten stories.
farside22 wrote:question for pokerface, rishi and roflcopter: what scum groups do you see and why?
There are players I see as scum (you and korts). And there are players that have just pinged my scumdar at some point or another as i have explained. But there is a good chunk of players I am having trouble getting descent reads on. Because players in that chunk can pretty much go anywhere, town or in any scum group at this point, I don't feel as comfortable as I did before when I gave that 4 player scum list. I'll say I still consider you and Korts as scum, but as far as who your partners are or if you are each others partner's goes, i am uncertain at this moment. If this general view changes I'll let you know who I think is in what group.
My vote is going to stay on Korts for the time being. If his replacement doesn't pull all the same stuff, perhaps I'll move it. I can't really ask his replacement to defend that stuff since they don't have the same brain, but I can ask the new player to try and do/look better. I'm going to look back on a couple of the things farside said earlier on Korts. Do you have any new suspicions you want to bring up on any player? Since the big wagon on you has faded alittle, you have not really gone into great lengths on who you believe is scum. You feared your lynch was inevitable and that is no excuse to ever stop scumhunting on your own.
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