Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[the worst]

Part of me wants to think that Pine saw Fire as a towny who wants to go against me, made an offer to him that looks very appealing, and he took it because Pine is the devil and now Fire has the tool he needs to basically shit on me all game.

is this your reason for townreading Firebringer?

Ali stop ignoring me. I'm trying to solve the game while you and Fire are having circular tantrums.

this one

[Alisae]

Part of me wants to think that Pine saw Fire as a towny who wants to go against me, made an offer to him that looks very appealing, and he took it because Pine is the devil and now Fire has the tool he needs to basically shit on me all game.

is this your reason for townreading Firebringer?

Ali stop ignoring me. I'm trying to solve the game while you and Fire are having circular tantrums.

this one

sure
Town!Fire also comes across as the dick who would want to shit on me as much as possible so...

[the worst]

that's a fucking stupid reason to townread someone.

[Firebringer]

objection to form. I find the worsts characterization of me having a tantrum to have no basis and wish for this to be struck from the record.

ty

[the worst]

sorry, shall be replaced with "smearing his poo all over the thread".

[Firebringer]

sorry, shall be replaced with "smearing his poo all over the thread".

granted

[Alisae]

that's a fucking stupid reason to townread someone.

okay I don’t see any of whats happening actually coming from scum?

[Firebringer]

scum me would totally argue against this townread. good thing i am not.

[the worst]

that's a fucking stupid reason to townread someone.

okay I don’t see any of whats happening actually coming from scum?

why not

[mastina]

Yes playing pro-town always justifies itself.

You posted that you

wanted

-

town

- to be unsure if you successfully BGed.

You are correct that you can't really achieve the opposite goal without scumsiding and as a result you shouldn't ever approach BG that way.

But you posted that you

wanted

town and only town

to be unsure if you successfully BGed and you can't delete it even if you try to recharacterize now.

Your point being?

You're proving my fucking point not contradicting it.

Playing pro-town always justifies itself. As a bodyguard you shouldn't play shitty to ensure people know you made a successful protection. You should be playing so pro-town that people wonder if it was a successful protection or if you were just outright nightkilled.

There's no scumslip in saying only town wouldn't know because no fucking duh scum know who they fucking nightkilled and their nightkill being alive while a bodyguard they didn't nightkill is dead tells them that the bodyguard made the successful protection? That's stupidly obvious. No fucking shit only the town wouldn't know. But there's no way to TELL the town you made a successful protection after the fact and no way to say you're making a successful protection before the fact without giving away you're a bodyguard targeting x to the scumteam (and thus ensuring you DON'T make a successful protection).

The only way to tell the town you made a successful protection is if you were playing in a way that was shitty enough that no scum would ever nightkill you--but we've established that a bodyguard shouldn't be doing that, soooooo...if you're not playing in a way that was shitty enough that no scum would ever nightkill you...then...when you die...the town...

Oh what's the obvious conclusion from that?

Oh yeah.
The town wouldn't know.
Because you were playing too good for them to know.

And no fucking shit that's what you should fucking be doing? You should always be playing skilled enough that the town can't tell if you were nightkilled or if you made a successful protection.

And if the town CAN tell that it was a successful protection...it means you were playing shittily.
And since we both agree you shouldn't be playing shittily.
By definition you are fucking agreeing that the town shouldn't be able to tell it was a successful protection.

This is stupidly self-evident.

[the worst]

i'm literally not seeing why anyone is townreading firebringer, haven't been since like very early d1.
it's driving me absolutely crazy.

you're approaching this conversation like i should be; 5881 is so abstract i have no idea how to garner anything valuable from it

[mastina]

ohh go fuck yourself mastina

Gladly, been meaning to do that all day long.

[Menalque]

dann can you talk to me some more about why I should TR the duck?

I think it's better if you talk about your scum read first

My read is colored by meta and certain expectations of his play

Chickadee had an issue where she said she just liked duck too much to really have a confident objective read on him, even though she thought he was town.

You may or may not be more objective than me in this instance, but I'd like not to color the problems you see before you put them into words if that makes sense

okay, that's fair. I'm not doing it tonight because I'm getting sleepy and it'll involve going back through his ISO. I do remember that it was partly due to me thinking his reaction over my speculation about you/chicka/him/krazy was weird, plus I think quite a lot of AtE stuff.

I'm not working right now (week's break between contracts) so hit me up tomorrow if I don't get to it

[Alisae]

that's a fucking stupid reason to townread someone.

okay I don’t see any of whats happening actually coming from scum?

why not

because its selfish thinking and a town mindset at its core

[Firebringer]

mastina have i told u that u over use the word 'fuck' so much that it loses meaning

[mastina]

mastina's push on me feels opportunistic but pops' push on mastina feels opportunistic ffhfhfhfn

Oh yes a push on a scumread I've held the entire fucking game since D1 before literally any other player thought you were scum is

totally

opportunistic.

[Dannflor]

okay, that's fair. I'm not doing it tonight because I'm getting sleepy and it'll involve going back through his ISO. I do remember that it was partly due to me thinking his reaction over my speculation about you/chicka/him/krazy was weird, plus I think quite a lot of AtE stuff.

put like @Dannflor in your post or something so I can control+F to find it because I'm skimming an increasing amount of posts this game

[the worst]

dann can you talk to me some more about why I should TR the duck?

I think it's better if you talk about your scum read first

My read is colored by meta and certain expectations of his play

Chickadee had an issue where she said she just liked duck too much to really have a confident objective read on him, even though she thought he was town.

You may or may not be more objective than me in this instance, but I'd like not to color the problems you see before you put them into words if that makes sense

okay, that's fair. I'm not doing it tonight because I'm getting sleepy and it'll involve going back through his ISO. I do remember that it was partly due to me thinking his reaction over my speculation about you/chicka/him/krazy was weird, plus I think quite a lot of AtE stuff.

I'm not working right now (week's break between contracts) so hit me up tomorrow if I don't get to it

you promised this in game day 2 pal, get on it.
based on the reasoning in this post you could teach "not catching scum 101" so i hope your case is outstanding.

[Menalque]

I think it's better if you talk about your scum read first

My read is colored by meta and certain expectations of his play

:thumbs_up:
this is why I keep laughing off your read Mena

hmm?

[the worst]

mastina's push on me feels opportunistic but pops' push on mastina feels opportunistic ffhfhfhfn

Oh yes a push on a scumread I've held the entire fucking game since D1 before literally any other player thought you were scum is

totally

opportunistic.

hmm it hasn't been reevaluated and doesn't consider any of the very warm, very extensive actual meta you have on me
so
yeah

[the worst]

I think it's better if you talk about your scum read first

My read is colored by meta and certain expectations of his play

:thumbs_up:
this is why I keep laughing off your read Mena

hmm?

you're a fresher perspective on me and i have no expectations about your read on me except "man i hope it doesn't suck". i'm actually really interested to see what you come up with or whether you fix it.

[Dannflor]

I've never seen duck this sassy

[Menalque]

okay, that's fair. I'm not doing it tonight because I'm getting sleepy and it'll involve going back through his ISO. I do remember that it was partly due to me thinking his reaction over my speculation about you/chicka/him/krazy was weird, plus I think quite a lot of AtE stuff.

put like @Dannflor in your post or something so I can control+F to find it because I'm skimming an increasing amount of posts this game

yeah, okay, will do

@duckie didn't I promise that in twilight?

[the worst]

:shrug:
i'm not having fun
this isn't my job; i'm under no obligation to grin and bear it.

i've learned my lesson from the days when i used to fluffpost and be cute to survive until endgame. it's better to get involved and try to cut through some of the absolute piles of bullshit itt.

[Firebringer]

worstie u seem too really be focused on people reads on u here and when u go into them ur like confused on how people could think ur scum, when people have scumreads on u and are like constantly going kind of like "but i am playing so obviously town" and i only see glimpses of what i think could be town u and the rest i am like "nope this is not town worstie"