Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Something_Smart]

Choosing not to vote Firebringer because he has a fucking governor is not fucking town.

Actually we gain half a mislynch if he dies to vig.

[mastina]

She would play protown as BG, but she would not play protown specifically for the purpose of weakening the utility of her BG role by obscuring its informational value.

And when did I say that playing protown was specifically for the purpose of weakening the utility of my BG role by obscuring its informational value?

I said I was playing protown; I was aiming to get off a successful protection; I was playing protown specifically because I wanted to get off a successful protection.

What in that weakens the utility of the bodyguard role?

That's fucking strengthening the utility of bodyguard, not fucking weakening it.

[Dannflor]

do we actually get any choice in lynch today

ever since fire said his reads or govern?
no not really

I already said you get choices in my scumread.

You lynch a townread and I am governing.
That is a choice

Can we lynch Krazy?

[mastina]

She would play protown as BG, but she would not play protown specifically for the purpose of weakening the utility of her BG role by obscuring its informational value. She perspective slipped about which faction gets informational value out of BG.

Mastina's not dumb, why are you arguing that she is?

Are you throwing a too wolf to be wolf defense?

No, but you're arguing the inverse, that I deliberately went Too Town for me To Be Town.

[Something_Smart]

Oh yeah, Krazy's in this game.

[the worst]

mastina is playing in a way that makes her hard to lynch, not makes her town.

is it explicitly AI? not really.
is it town indicative? explicitly no.

just do the thing guys

[Pine]

Hey, just to end this conversation -

Ankamius was going to be my second pick. I knew I wanted [REDACTED] as my deepwolf, and picked that person first. My second pick was going to be the person I thought would be the greatest threat.

Jingle sniped her out from under me as his first pick, then apparently gave her the Weak Hider role to use to hide from attempts to kill her while hardclearing her reads.

It was ALMOST perfect until she hid behind Nacho.

[popsofctown]

Spoiler: Haggle: Vegetable

[mastina]

mastina will flip scum

Yeah just like DGB flipped scum. That sure worked out well.

[Alisae]

Hey, just to end this conversation -

Ankamius was going to be my second pick. I knew I wanted [REDACTED] as my deepwolf, and picked that person first. My second pick was going to be the person I thought would be the greatest threat.

Jingle sniped her out from under me as his first pick, then apparently gave her the Weak Hider role to use to hide from attempts to kill her while hardclearing her reads.

It was ALMOST perfect until she hid behind Nacho.

silly tree u don't know who she hid behind

[chennisden]

I prefer my FB wagon thanks.

why aren't you scumhunting?

fb is scum

mastina you can never tell

[Pine]

Jingle told me

[Alisae]

I prefer my FB wagon thanks.

why aren't you scumhunting?

fb is scum

mastina you can never tell

town!chennisden has more reads then this

[Alisae]

Jingle told me

I'm sure he did

[Menalque]

I think pops' argument is shit and is intentionally missing the point

[mastina]

Ambiguity
To the town
Is protown

Explicitly so, yes!

I asked this in a very fucking simple question.
A two-line.
Almost just two sentence.
Question.

Tell me. Which has a longer-lasting impact?

Players thinking the bodyguard made a successful protection, thus concluding that a single player, Ankamius, is town...

...Or players thinking that the bodyguard might've eaten the nightkill, thus concluding that her content is worth analyzing, breaking down, reviewing, rereviewing, to look at her stances, her townreads, her scumreads, her thoughts on the gamestate, and so on and so forth?

Which of these has a better impact on the long-term state of the game?
The thing which affects only D2 after which Ank eats the N2 nightkill anyway, or the thing which affects EVERY day phase for the rest of the game as players continuously review who died and theorize as to why?

One of these is unambiguous, the other one is ambiguous.
One of these has a short-term benefit to the town and is then immediately worthless to the town for the rest of the game.
The other of these has a long-term benefit to the town which will never stop giving value to the town.
Guess which is which.

[mastina]

Pops is town regardless of what mastina is btw

X

[Firebringer]

do we actually get any choice in lynch today

ever since fire said his reads or govern?
no not really

I already said you get choices in my scumread.

You lynch a townread and I am governing.
That is a choice

Can we lynch Krazy?

Yes.

[Menalque]

Another way to look at it that maybe has a more down to earth angle is that it's very offtune that she was excited and tooting her horn about being an extremely viable N1 kill as bodyguard when bodyguard is a roll that makes it way less exciting to be an extremely viable N1 kill, less exciting than VT.

Outright false; I never said I'd be the N1 nightkill and in fact explicitly said otherwise--I am never the N1 nightkill but if I die N1 to a successful protection as a bodyguard, I wouldn't be able to tell the town this postmortem and I wouldn't be able to tell the town that premortem either without giving away the fact that I am a bodyguard (thus ensuring a successful protection isn't possible).

Thus, if I was playing protown.

Which is what I was aiming to do D1.

Then it would inherently be ambiguous to the town.

And that ambiguity, which I've explained why it's a fucking good thing and which you've repeatedly fucking ignored, is not antitown; it is incredibly protown.

Ambiguity
To the town
Is protown
I can't even

like, the argument is not that ambiguity to the town is protown

the argument is that being as protown as possible causes ambiguity to the town

I don't think pops is a bad player or incapable of seeing subtleties like this, so I think she' intentionally misrepping Mastina

if I'm wrong tell me where?

[Pine]

Firebringer vote -

VOTE: Mastina

[Menalque]

VOTE: krazy

[Firebringer]

Firebringer vote -

VOTE: Mastina

thanks

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Krazy

[Alisae]

why are u2 voting krazy

[chennisden]

I prefer my FB wagon thanks.

why aren't you scumhunting?

fb is scum

mastina you can never tell

town!chennisden has more reads then this

worst is town

ss is maybe scum

maria is town