Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps
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I think this was a swingy setup that swung very heavily away from town with certain things (hider, vig, desp -- almost all the strongest power roles missed except the strongman doc)
while I agree the setup is slightly scumsided I think 2 masons + ari + weak hider + strongman doc is a lot of mech town and a reliable way of protecting mech town. Ali did get two separate saves throughout the game which is the only reason there even was another day.
Personally I want to say me winning the 1v1 with mastina was really big but I also don't want to bring it up because mastina wrote like 4 wallposts in the dead thread about it alreadyvote conspiracy-
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like uh
I feel like if I was an actual player in this game, I would have replaced out if I interacted with LLD that way.
The only reason why I didn't (even though I was offered to) was because I felt obligated to see it through, and I wanted to see it through. I also wanted to use this game to try and test myself and see if I can beat Pine's game. Its kinda like a dream for me to actually be a town treestump in this game. That sort of thing is something I wanted to do for a very long time. Its just something I wanted to do for awhile, I just wish there was just less drama overall.| here.GTKAS-
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There was nothing wrong with the fruit mechanic, for sure, aside from the cancerous governor fruit. The game really didn't provide players with much of a means to bargain; some of the bargains were interesting but most weren't.In post 13549, Pine wrote:The fruit mechanic was fine. You folks shouldn't have traded so dearly for the fruit. I was willing to part with them for much less than you gave.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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I think? Isn't bussing usually considered theater? Or maybe not?In post 13573, Dannflor wrote:wait that was theater?vote conspiracy-
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Get out of my game thread. All blame is to be laid solely at Dannflor's feet.In post 13558, RadiantCowbells wrote:Ali you're fucking garbage you suck you're awful you're the worst quack
CURSE YOU DANNFLOR!This is a Parachute.-
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the bargaining was exceptionally boring.
every bargain was like for a vote. It was like why even have it be called bargain when all pine cared about was taking our votes.
Except for penguin who he just made do gifs but he was his scum allyShow"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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this is the perfect reaction. <3In post 13580, Alisae wrote:I'm going to stop beating myself up now.-
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I personally didn't really like the 'trick' of the neighbor fruit even as scum, mostly because I think neighbor pts are already toxic and cancerous so making them even more cancerous is just grossIn post 13577, Something_Smart wrote:There was nothing wrong with the fruit mechanic, for sure, aside from the cancerous governor fruit. The game really didn't provide players with much of a means to bargain; some of the bargains were interesting but most weren't.vote conspiracy-
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Let's not dwell on Day One. It's already hurt too many people.
Ali, I think you did entirely fine in a tough position, and commend you for taking on a Sisyphean task, then nearly pulling it off. On D6, you had correct strong Townreads on Maria and Menalque, and mech clears on nearly everyone save Fire and Gamma, plus scumreads on the entire scumteam minus Iconeum. We thought we were headed for extra innings, which would have given loads of time for the Doc save and flips to swing things against us. This was a LOT closer than it looked."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Vig + desp + 2 masons + hider is maybe six mech town in an optimistic scenario, but it's really easy for the scum to figure out the masons, as I said, because the message mechanic and Ali being a doc and knowing the masons encourages the game to devolve into "everyone sheep Ali."In post 13575, Krazy wrote:while I agree the setup is slightly scumsided I think 2 masons + ari + weak hider + strongman doc is a lot of mech town and a reliable way of protecting mech town.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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I agree; in hindsight, the governor fruit was not great, and frankly giving it to Firebringer was not a good choice for the health of the game.In post 13577, Something_Smart wrote:
There was nothing wrong with the fruit mechanic, for sure, aside from the cancerous governor fruit. The game really didn't provide players with much of a means to bargain; some of the bargains were interesting but most weren't.In post 13549, Pine wrote:The fruit mechanic was fine. You folks shouldn't have traded so dearly for the fruit. I was willing to part with them for much less than you gave.
Yeah, well, you folks kept giving me whatever I wanted and never offered anything worthwhile. Bargaining is meant to be a two-way street. I'd have sold them for FAR less than you gave, which ought to have been evident from the bargains I made D1.In post 13582, Firebringer wrote:the bargaining was exceptionally boring.
every bargain was like for a vote. It was like why even have it be called bargain when all pine cared about was taking our votes.
Except for penguin who he just made do gifs but he was his scum ally"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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It was easy to figure out the Masons because they didn't bother hiding.In post 13587, Something_Smart wrote:
Vig + desp + 2 masons + hider is maybe six mech town in an optimistic scenario, but it's really easy for the scum to figure out the masons, as I said, because the message mechanic and Ali being a doc and knowing the masons encourages the game to devolve into "everyone sheep Ali."In post 13575, Krazy wrote:while I agree the setup is slightly scumsided I think 2 masons + ari + weak hider + strongman doc is a lot of mech town and a reliable way of protecting mech town.
PE: Especially the way Ali abused the hell out of it"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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The neighbor trick was one of the best ones, because it was predictable and didn't harm you unless you let it.In post 13584, Krazy wrote:I personally didn't really like the 'trick' of the neighbor fruit even as scum, mostly because I think neighbor pts are already toxic and cancerous so making them even more cancerous is just gross
That's the reason the governor trick was awful-- because it didn't require the player to actually try to use it to their advantage. In fact given that Pine could give it out unbargained-for, it was basically a free scum governor (since there's pretty much no reason town would ever want to use a governor).It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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I kind ofIn post 13587, Something_Smart wrote:
Vig + desp + 2 masons + hider is maybe six mech town in an optimistic scenario, but it's really easy for the scum to figure out the masons, as I said, because the message mechanic and Ali being a doc and knowing the masons encourages the game to devolve into "everyone sheep Ali."In post 13575, Krazy wrote:while I agree the setup is slightly scumsided I think 2 masons + ari + weak hider + strongman doc is a lot of mech town and a reliable way of protecting mech town.
did way too much with that message mechanic
then I was supposed to
it was intenteded to be a flavor thing where we make people feel special for playing the invitational (except I never wrote anything for replacements because I wanted to get high and play video games instead of making our guests feel special lul)
it became "hey, lets play telephone where I signal to people and they signal back to me"
I am proud of those signals and would likely use them again
I don't think Pine could identify what they were they were just that good| here.GTKAS-
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theres nothing else to give u besides our vote, what r u talking about.In post 13588, Pine wrote:Yeah, well, you folks kept giving me whatever I wanted and never offered anything worthwhile. Bargaining is meant to be a two-way street. I'd have sold them for FAR less than you gave, which ought to have been evident from the bargains I made D1.Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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^Agree.In post 13575, Krazy wrote:I think this was a swingy setup that swung very heavily away from town with certain things (hider, vig, desp -- almost all the strongest power roles missed except the strongman doc)
while I agree the setup is slightly scumsided I think 2 masons + ari + weak hider + strongman doc is a lot of mech town and a reliable way of protecting mech town. Ali did get two separate saves throughout the game which is the only reason there even was another day.
Personally I want to say me winning the 1v1 with mastina was really big but I also don't want to bring it up because mastina wrote like 4 wallposts in the dead thread about it already
The slight scumsidedness was intended to account for the inclusion of players who were just never going to be viable Pine recruits. For example, I don't think Pine ever picks chen or Xof, and while town realized that early on they also dropped it and nearly lynched both of those slots.
The bargains were entirely Pine's prerogative. I was frankly baffled that so many people chose to give away so much when really it was designed to ensure you didn't just ignore Pine, as per his request.In post 13577, Something_Smart wrote:
There was nothing wrong with the fruit mechanic, for sure, aside from the cancerous governor fruit. The game really didn't provide players with much of a means to bargain; some of the bargains were interesting but most weren't.In post 13549, Pine wrote:The fruit mechanic was fine. You folks shouldn't have traded so dearly for the fruit. I was willing to part with them for much less than you gave.
Ico got townread by not being there when the big shit went down. Therefore, he never got said shit on his shoes. Or at least, that's what I saw.In post 13580, Alisae wrote:I'm going to stop beating myself up now.
gg i was never scumreading Iconeum.
Thats a bus I would have never identified just from the perspective of it making no logical sense.This is a Parachute.-
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that fruit doesn't need to exist.In post 13588, Pine wrote:I agree; in hindsight, the governor fruit was not great, and frankly giving it to Firebringer was not a good choice for the health of the game.| here.GTKAS-
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Absolutely. If I'd been the town treestump the first thing I'd do would be to set up a code so everyone can (a) claim and (b) communicate results confidentially to me.In post 13589, Dannflor wrote:I feel like the message mechanic is somewhat town sided
That said, it's also degenerate as shit, for the same reason.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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lol...I was posting every message that Ali sent me to the scumchat..."Is it a trap?" I think Pine made me paranoid.In post 13589, Dannflor wrote:I feel like the message mechanic is somewhat town sided<(") | (")>-
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6 mech town on day 2, if the hider stays alive they can win the game for town tho.In post 13587, Something_Smart wrote:Vig + desp + 2 masons + hider is maybe six mech town in an optimistic scenario,vote conspiracy
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