Perfect Masquerade [Game Over]

[Lady 9]

I am reading both flipped scum at this moment, but I do think L9 is more likely scum than you. Her activity during first dance and her trajectory this dance have both felt suspect. Although I will find it a rather questionable design choice if the moderator ended up having the scum slots as the lowest numbers.

On a more humorous note, I feel like the last scum could be thinking, “The last line has been breached! Dang it, deploy it now!”

Hey do me a favor, read through pages 170-172 or so, and see if you can make the arguments that lady 2 can't

[Lady 9]

I don't think L5 has an interest to regardless of her alignment. L5's push back is survivalistic. The G5 G6 fight was secondary to the push on G8 which did get traction somewhat yesterday. Today, people forget G8 exists. Lady 5 picking fights, regardless of her alignment does something for someone.

I'm not opposed to a G1 lynch but I'm strongly in favor of a G8 lynch. So was G5 before he was shot.

Why? I still never have the soul reason why.

And no one forgot G8 exists. G1 was the Lynch Day 1 if G4 and G6 didn’t have a fit.

anyone surviving have a pov on whether the latter part of this applies to g7/g8 as well? don't believe i'll be able to dive it in time

It applied to gent 8/lady 5

i really want to gambit and test you, g1, but i'm terrified we'd just lose the game.

What gambit?

[Lady 9]

This game is really suffering from everybody who knew I was town leaving the dance

[Lady 2]

This

Your slot is saying that G1/Gent 8 can't be scum together because G7 would have had to have been pushing on G8 and setting up on G1

I pointed out that it's the same scenario if I'm scum where I'd be pushing on one and setting up on the other

No response

I asked you to expand on this because I still need to decide whether to sheep my predecessor on this... ;-;

[Lady 2]

I mean mood re people who know I'm town leaving the dance they just left before I got here :#
ganbit is I wish I could survivalism check G1 because his only choice as scum is to scumread you but I can't test that well anymore

[Lady 9]

This is why I have ruled out G1/G8 as a pair. Because G7 would not have hard pushed a lynch on one (G8) of his two buddies to directly set up a lynch on his other buddy (G1) by virtue of his buddy's partner (L2) supposedly being scum with the first (G8). That's a very extremely risky hard bus for that stage of the game. Nah, if G8 is scum with G7, G7 is setting up a mislynch on a T-T pair here. And if G8 is Town G7 is just working on a mislynch and can go on his merry way regardless of G1's alignment when L8 flips T. This is why I don't think this logic holds true of G1/L5 as a pair - if he gets that lynch and it's T-S but L5 flips scum and G8 Town, G7 doesn't push on to push G1/L2 because L5-scum doesn't imply L2-scum like G8-scum does by his argument.

This is the argument that was initially presented

I pointed out that that same argument also holds true from my viewpoint, and why is it only an "extremely risky bus" when relating to her own pair, but not me, and that's a selective argument

[Lady 9]

I don’t really have much opinion on how they interacted with L9 themselves, just to be clear.

Do you think, if I'm scum, my game plan here is to vote out my team and try to make it to the end? You touched on this earlier I believe

[Lady 2]

Could you expand on what's clearing about that for you? I will not read the full thead and I need to make a snap decision about how much I trust my pred here

[Lady 2]

Could you also expand a little on where your G1 clear comes from? You seemed super confident on the G8/L2 solve yday and like... I'm still freakin out here fam

[Lady 9]

It's not that it's clearing, it's that the argument your pred made also applies to me, but she ignored that and used it to apply to her own pair, and it wasn't a good argument, and it looks like it was your pred was setting up her pair for survival at the end

[Lady 9]

Could you also expand a little on where your G1 clear comes from? You seemed super confident on the G8/L2 solve yday and like... I'm still freakin out here fam

From my L2 case

I mean, it's either you or him, and I had thought L2 was town for a long time and then my read there changed. Also I started liking him when he started making these arguments:

I'm reasonably confident that removing this pairing and the IC pairing wins the game.

Gentleman 8 is likely town due to how he interacted with me in our PT.
Lady 2 is obviously town.
Gentleman 1's trajectory on Gentleman 7 is quite town now that I look back on it.

Lady 6's contributions since I entered the game are incredibly lackluster and have the same bad feel as Gentleman 7's did.
Lady 9 looks terrible after this Lady 7 push.
Gentleman 3 is either playing very strangely or is trying to carry a deadweight town to endgame for his team.

The path looks quite clear in my eyes.

My one objection here currently is that I do not feel as confident as you do that L9’s push of L7 was suspect. Had L7’s pair flipped double town I would wholeheartedly agree, but there is the question in my mind of the fact L9 pushed town paired with scum to leave.

L9 certainly does not win by being the last scum alive, at this point that seems like a no-win situation for her. So considering that it seems like a bad move to get rid of one of the people who could carry that burden for her.

[Lady 2]

Sigh

I think I'm just trusting my pred and my sinking gut feeling on rep-in. If you're town I'm sorry for this, but I don't know how to engage you productively. I don't think you've tried to engage with me in any realistic/good faith fashion and if you're town / G1 is scum I'm like... not sure how we ever get there :/

VOTE: L9

[Lady 2]

Mostly symbolic I suppose. But I'm fine to hammertest G1 if G2 wants

[Lady 9]

Yeah I don't think you're town

@Gent 2, and whoever else is town, look at what happened with g3/l6 this phase. I wanted them to be the end game pair, right after gent 7 flips suddenly everyone is all over them

Gent 7 townreads that pair all game

I townread that pair all game

Both Lady 2 and Gent 1 are very tight lipped about them then all of a sudden they both vote him along with, I think, Lady 5/gent 8? And then Lady 6 leaves

Tell me they're both town

Tell me the scumteam saw the g3 pair, saw g3 saying that they should be the end game pair, and instead of voting them out, they just all say they're town? It doesn't make any sense

[Lady 2]

Reread L6/G3's last couple of pages tho :/

[Lady 9]

What about them?

I know she left, but she was still getting pushed, moves were being made

[Lady 2]

I have the simultaneous benefits of not being in this slot at the time, and also knowing this slot's alignment

Anyone who reads that final G3/L2 exchange as anything but t/t or who didn't get goosebumps from L5's pop-in needsa check emselves

[Gentleman 2]

Wish l5 hadnt left like that...

[Lady 2]

Sorry if my pushing her to leave kind of threw you off your groove man. I really sincerely think L9 is scum, and the solve L5 was coming to and the way she responded to the L6/G3 death and the way she responded to my replace-in had me pretty sure she was scum. I'll be the first to admit I didn't expect her to just like. Leave on the spot. I am real sorry if that's not how you expected stuff to go down.

[Lady 2]

Countdown to deadline: 0 days, 10 hours, 43 minutes

I'll be entertaining til deadline, so around-ish.

I really think L9 is the last scum. :/
if this runs to deadline I will leave. I'd rather roll the dice on G1 scum than just.. lose by default

This thread is like super dead unless I'm around tho L9 and G1 are both v complacent but L9 feels *more* complacent - I feel like town!her surely realises she's fighting a losing battle and needs to work any angle she can to close this...it feels like she's just sitting around praying for G2 to make the wrong decision.

This is proud scum. It's not town.

[Lady 9]

I'm complacent when it looks like g2 is about to leave on me?

[Lady 9]

That's a real funny thing to say

Where is your partner, btw? Weird that you're pointing that at me

[Lady 9]

nd the solve L5 was coming to and the way she responded to the L6/G3 death and the way she responded to my replace-in had me pretty sure she was scum.

Reminder that the predecessor here turned hard on Lady 5 as she suspected her, and this Lady 2 just kept going with that, and that she is now using l6/g3 stuff to justify that when she never talked about that before for l5?

Gent 1, if you have any sense left in you you'll leave when you get here. And gent 2, if you have any sense you'll tell him to leave

[Lady 9]

it feels like she's just sitting around praying for G2 to make the wrong decision.

g2 making the wrong decision doesn't win me the game though

I need gent 1 to leave or vote himself

And what you're calling me going complacent is me going to sleep

[Lady 9]

I feel like town!her surely realises she's fighting a losing battle and needs to work any angle she can to close this

Lady 2 said, literally the complete opposite of this before, I'm pretty sure