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[Dunnstral]

I don't really like what Wake is doing here, though

[Luca Blight]

Wake’s whole progression is awful.

I stand by my comment that both Wake and A50 are likely scum. A50 is actually my stronger scumread atm but I’m not sure if that lynch is going to get enough support. Will give my reasoning Tomorrow when I’m on a computer.

[Wake1]

I don't really like what Wake is doing here, though

Tell me what I'm doing here Dunnstral.

[Dunnstral]

Day 1:

As said before I hate Day 1, and can't deal with all the speculation.

Once Day 2 begins I can actually play the game. Day 1 is just crazed paranoia and I can't deal with it, and if you want to lynch me for that and take a gamble go ahead.

Day 1 there's no weight to any wagon, and only rarely do you actually catch someone in a lie that early. So, yeah, I do lurk and stay in the background Day 1 in general, because that's my playstyle.

Day 3:

I would not mind one bit pressuring Luca Blight.

VOTE: Luca Blight

I’m not claiming.

That's not suspicious at all.

[Dolly Parton]

I don't really like what Wake is doing here, though

I don't really like what Dunnstral is doing here, though

[Hectic]

Wake's scummier here.

a guilty.

ARE YOU SUICIDAL?

I'M TOWN.

I dunno this feels overreacty

As town id be like "ok wtf" and let it sit for a while and hope they go "sike"

Also this feels more like scum overreacting and trying to look like an enraged townie.
His first though is Dolly is a suicidal townie rather than the fact she could be scum?

[Hectic]

I don't really like what Wake is doing here, though

I don't really like what Dunnstral is doing here, though

I don't really like what Dolly is doing here, though

[Dolly Parton]

I don't really like what Wake is doing here, though

I don't really like what Dunnstral is doing here, though

I don't really like what Dolly is doing here, though

I don't really like what Hectic is doing here, though

[Dunnstral]

Wake's scummier here.

a guilty.

ARE YOU SUICIDAL?

I'M TOWN.

I dunno this feels overreacty

As town id be like "ok wtf" and let it sit for a while and hope they go "sike"

Also this feels more like scum overreacting and trying to look like an enraged townie.
His first though is Dolly is a suicidal townie rather than the fact she could be scum?

To be fair, he never said "suicidal townie"

[PenguinPower]

Votecount 3.03

Luca Blight

(5): splitfarvle, NorwegianboyEE, Wake88, Almost50, Dolly Parton

Wake88

(3): Gamma Emerald, Luca Blight, Hectic

splitfarvle

(3): Tea, Dunnstral, Reundo

Not Voting

(2): davesaz, Fish Monger

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2019-12-10 09:30:00)

[Almost50]

A50 is actually my stronger scumread atm

Why am I your

preferred lynch

stronger scumread?

I guess two can play that game. Like...

Going out now, bear in mind I’m L-2.

Will be back in a few hours.

Why bear it mind? And why a few hours?

I’m not claiming.

Why not?

Whenever a wagon went up? I’m pretty sure you’re basing that on the Pm wagon only, which was a terrible wagon (as bad as mine) and was never flipping town. Whenever someone gets wagoned so heavily like that based on next to nothing, it’s most likely flipping Town, and I was right. There was no reason at all to lynch Pm over Wake D1.

Why are you pretty sure?

Why was it a terrible wagon?

Remark: Look at me? I'm asking questions. I must be town. ~ Luca Blight

[Almost50]

Wake's scummier here.

a guilty.

ARE YOU SUICIDAL?

I'M TOWN.

I dunno this feels overreacty

As town id be like "ok wtf" and let it sit for a while and hope they go "sike"

Also this feels more like scum overreacting and trying to look like an enraged townie.
His first though is Dolly is a suicidal townie rather than the fact she could be scum?

I love how people form reads and then try to find some justification for it. When was the last time you saw scum respond to a guilty by "Are you suicidal?" rather than -say- "That's a lie!"?? I mean, the tone strikes me as a townie talking to someone they also believe is town, not scum trying to get out of a guilty.

[davesaz]

My town reads: Luca, Reundo, A50

At this point why were these TRs?

I'm trying to figure out split's trajectory on Luca. The TR in 539 wasn't explained, and then not much had changed by the time split started talking about Luca's handling of Vorkuta. Sure reads change but in this case I think it's more likely that 539 didn't reflect actual thoughts.

[Luca Blight]

Going out now, bear in mind I’m L-2.

Will be back in a few hours.

Why bear it mind? And why a few hours?

What's it got to do with you?

I’m not claiming.

Why not?

Why would I claim?

Whenever a wagon went up? I’m pretty sure you’re basing that on the Pm wagon only, which was a terrible wagon (as bad as mine) and was never flipping town. Whenever someone gets wagoned so heavily like that based on next to nothing, it’s most likely flipping Town, and I was right. There was no reason at all to lynch Pm over Wake D1.

Why are you pretty sure?

Why was it a terrible wagon?

Remark: Look at me? I'm asking questions. I must be town. ~ Luca Blight

Yes I'm sure, and nice misrep. I never implied I

must be town

for asking one relevant question. If you're going to put someone at L-2 without doing anything else all day then the least you can do is explain why you prefer one lynch over another.

All this do distract from the question that you refused to answer; why am I your preferred lynch?

[Tea]

How was my Vorkuta vote bad? Pressuring lurkers/low content slots is rarely a bad thing imo.

Because it's really easy to do tbh

[Tea]

Split legit might've just put the playerlist in a random number generator

That's how meaningless the list is to me.

[Luca Blight]

How was my Vorkuta vote bad? Pressuring lurkers/low content slots is rarely a bad thing imo.

Because it's really easy to do tbh

It might be easy to do, but that doesn't mean it's bad or unwarranted. It's not like that's all I did D1.

[Dunnstral]

Dolly and Wake are both doing the scum thing where they care much less about what's going on when someone else is being wagoned, and start making filler/troll posts instead of pushing the wagon they apparently believe in

[Luca Blight]

Why I think A50 is scum:

His play is very similar to the last game where I played against him, where he was was scum. He replaced in with a very similar style; lots of fluffs, no substance, but was generally TR on tone. from the end of D1 continuing into D2 he did absolutely nothing of value. Here is that game: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=80583&user_select[]=26995

Other reasons:

The problem is your explanation explains nothing regarding the reason you were poked about it. How does deciding your RVS pre-game affect your given logic?

Allow me to intervene. Like, let's imagine DEB was in here. I probably would have voted him for doublecrossing the town in Korina's GIM. I would have done it regardless of whether I rolled Town or Scum here, because it was decided since Korina's game ended. Both the vote target AND the reason were decided BEFORE I would have known my role/alignment in THIS game.

Sp far I have Gamma. Layla and Zorte as Town Leans, and only Nor as a mild scum lean.

VOTE: Layla opportunistic wagon hop

Vorky's town.. I think.

Easy reads thrown out there without any substance to them.

Tea seesawing Nor could be: (a) Genuine, (b) Scum coming to the rescue of their buddy who had been forced to vote them after having failed to make a distancing maneuver, or (c) Scum WKing someone they know ill flip town.

(a) Tea is Town, Nor is unknown.
(b) Both are scum.
(c) Tea us Scum, Nor is Town.

66% Scum!Tea, 50% Scum!Nor

This is not a natural way of scumhunting. It's just a dressed up way of sitting on the fence. Again, looking busy with zero substance behind it.

The whole

'crafting an RVS vote before getting a role PM

' thing seems weird to me, though. I could see this being a lie, because I can't imagine why anyone would make an RVS post before the game has even opened.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Layla

I liked you for the post just before this none and was getting ready to move your name to the Town leans group, but this brought you back to the middle group of nulls. It's not scummy it itself, but you voted Tea so I got the impression you were all caught up until that point, so why did you suddenly have that change of heart?

Here he's trying to look considered in his reads, but it doesn't feel real. Since when is changing one's mind a scum trait? Scum know everyone's alignment, Town don't.

By the time I am at the top of page 4 I am confused. One of Nor, Tea and Luca is scum here. I just dunno which.

This is not a reasonable progression. Page four and he's sure there's one scum in this group, based on what exactly? It's lazy.

Bottom of page 5:

Town pile (nothing carved in stone though): davesaz, Gamma Emerald, Zote the Mighty, Layla, Vorkuta, Chemist1422, Reundo
I want to TR but my gut says no: Flavor Leaf
Absolutely null: Pmysterious12, Fish Monger, Billy Pilgrim, Dunnstral, Wake88, splitfarvle
Scum leans: Luca Blight, NorwegianboyEE, Tea (but I'm almost certain not all 3 are scum together and I even think they may only have one scum in them)

Look how easily that group of players made their way into the town pile - it's baseless.

Spoiler:

The whole

'crafting an RVS vote before getting a role PM

' thing seems weird to me, though. I could see this being a lie, because I can't imagine why anyone would make an RVS post before the game has even opened.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Layla

I liked you for the post just before this none and was getting ready to move your name to the Town leans group, but this brought you back to the middle group of nulls. It's not scummy it itself, but you voted Tea so I got the impression you were all caught up until that point, so why did you suddenly have that change of heart?

Although, going back to your original post, I'm wondering why exactly you were about to TL me for my first post?

A50 completely ignored this. I still don't get why he would TL me for my first post - it's almost as strange as his decision to SL me for my second.

Hello, friends. I don't have a lot of experience because this is my first time posting to this Large Normal Game, so I ask you to treat me like a simple newbie.

I'm not sure if this is the right play but I'm going to claim jester, I can help everyone find the mafia but only if you promise to lynch me before the last mafia gets lynched.

So far I have read the first couple of pages of this game, and Layla is flailing after people suspected her for her RVS vote so quite suspicious of that. Norwee pushed it for good reasons but his floppity-flipping on it was weird. Zote the Fucking Mighty seems like a really strong player, I want to say something suspicious about him but I'm afraid of what he's capable of and what he'll do if I say it. Can someone else say it please?

I hope everyone enjoyed my catchup, I worked hard to make it.

Found my preferred lynch on scum.

VOTE: Hectic

First off, he asked to be lynched... to win.
Second, seriously, no Jesters is Normals so LAL
Third, he also Amish-told.

I dunno what to say, but the Hectic I know doesn't do all 3, and especially not #3 (I guess it was an attempt to look clueless thus be TR'd for it??)

What happened to this SR? Did A50 just forget about it, as it was never mentioned again.

To tell you the truth; FL's last spew got to me hard. I don't know whether he included a p in his FoS pile after having been hammered. I guess knowing someone too well can backfire.

If I can bring myself to it, I will probably reread this game as if I've just joined it. I make no promises though as I have been failing to concentrate much of late (since that VLA declaration), and I don't even feel like talking about it.

P-edit: Obviously I have nothing for nor against Wake. All I ask is to give him 48-72 hours to try and post something AI.

It feels really fake what he's saying about FL here - just a really bad excuse for not getting involved. This post really aligns with his scum meta from the other game where he's excusing himself for doing nothing. Protecting Wake once again makes me feel an A50/Wake partneship is possible, among other reasons.

Between the 2 candidates; Luca certainly is my preferred lynch. I still would rather Tea though as I have an inexplicable bad gut feeling on him.

VOTE: Luca

This is an awful post, considering his vote casually puts me on L-2. He hasn't given any update on his reads since mid-D1. He's wagoning me but excusing himself from the outcome by saying 'I would rather Tea'. And what happened to his Hectic SR? What about his Norweigan SR? How does he feel about Split? He's not revealing what he thinks about anything.

1160 - Here A50 completely distracts from my relevant question of 'why do you prefer my lynch' by asking me a load of pointless questions and then misrepping me by making out I'm trying to say I'm town for asking a question, which is something I've never done.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: A50

[Luca Blight]

Also look at how there's been no development in A50's reads. He made up his mind by page four that'd he'd SR me, Nor and Tea, and nothing has changed until now. The only reason I can see he dropped the Nor read was because Gamma told him to:

More Tea votes please

Btw Nor is town

VOTE: Tea

Btw, I don't even drink coffee, so now I'm confined to drinking milk, juice & soda.

He's done no game-solving whatsoever since then, he hasn't questioned or changed his mind on any of his TR's (of which there were many) that I can see.

[Tea]

Yes, but like... he's posted a solid four times since then.

[Tea]

O... that's not true.

[Tea]

Anyway I think A50 is a hard slot to read

In a game I rolled scum we thought he was our traitor because of how absurdly off base he was, we actually thought he was signalling by calling out the entire scumteam as town

[Tea]

His reads are embarrassingly bad rn

But idk if that means anything

[Luca Blight]

It's not just that his reads are bad, it's also that his scumhunting had been superficial and he isn't trying to solve the game at all. He decided who he was going to SL in the first few pages (conveniently enough the players with the highest involvement) and he's sat on that since then. He's not trying to solve the game at all, and this is exactly how he played last time as scum.

'

FL's spew got me hard'

is such a lame excuse for his current effort level. Why not just ignore that spew (like I did) and push your supposed SR?