Mod:
You have TS's role, "Doc", listed, but not her alignment. All other player's alignments are listed. Is this a mod error or intentional? If you can't answer that, can you please say you can't answer that?[/b]
I will do my own sum up since nobody else seems willing to give me that.
In the meanwhile though, for those saying that one setup is likely over another:
Guardian wrote: The focus of the game is the setup and the players.
How interesting the players are is up to you... As for the setup:
This qualifies as a normal game... but a bit off from Normal games you might have played in the past:
I agree with some of the recent threads in mafia discussion that players expect too much from mods nowadays. Players expect cop, doc, some mafia goons, one godfather, no duplicate roles, always an investigative role, always a protective role.... and I want to mod some games that break away from that pattern.
This game will have (mostly) roles you have seen before, but all expectations you have about role combinations should go out the window.
MM's claimed results:
Day 1: Investigated CoolBot , got guilty, Pro-Town
Day 2: Investigated Tar, got guilty (Still Alive)
Day 3: Investigated PEG/Me, got guilty (Still Alive)
Day 4: Investigated Surye, got guilty (Still Alive)
Day 5: Hasn't Targetted yet.
I think my role is more likely to be insane than paranoid because I believe Tar and PEG to be town. Hopefully my investigation for today can result in a not mafia/innocent.
Well, we have two options. If there is a godfather (Or more than one godfather), I have been told that GodFathers always come back as innocent no matter who targets them. Inasmuch, that should mean that targetting one would give Stark an innocent and would therefore confirm that player as scum, even if he is paranoid. The only player that hasn't been targetted is Shaft.ed, correct? Might as well target him.
I really don't like Surye "False dichotomy" that she is refusing to answer to, instead asking me questions like asking if I Think there are two factions when I have clearly stated that I would like to know what's going on.
Surye wrote:So we've gone in a circle, and we're still at pretty much we have a scum mason, and a scum "cop". Tar has built a pretty convincing case on MM, and MM's only saving grace has been his breadcrumbing, but something's still not right with him.
Tarhalindur wrote:Thank you, Guardian.
The two possible situations which lead me to say 99.9% sure that MM is scum: paranoid daycop miller (good call, Surye!) and framer + other mafia power (framer scum mason or framer godfather; unlikely but possible)
In other news, shaft.ed just cleared himself of being the lynch for today as if he was paired scum he would have just won the game. If he is scum (which is now a rather low possibility) then he has to be the only member of his faction, in which case we deal with him tomorrow.
I'm pretty sure that the scum are the players formerly known as MM and pickem, Surye possible but somewhat unlikely (his Rosso PBPA looked fairly legit on my last read, and my gut tells me Surye isn't the kind of player who's likely to bus that heavily). I'm rereading now to check my conclusions.
Unvote, Vote: Machiavellian Mafia
because I know that vote is safe.
#1: You outguess the mod as a reason to vote MM, even thought he setup is intentionally Bastard Moddy. I say that it is bastard MDody because there is an FBI agent who presumably hunts down serial killers and a vig who has to kill everynight, making him, flavor wise, an SK-miller until he is lynched.
I'm still waiting for you to respond as to why you think Surye isn't the kind of player to bus that heavily. You haven't posted since I asked. Also, what about her post on Rosso was legit? And why only on Rosso, did she not PBPA any other players? Did you base your opinion on her not being the bussing type on other games? In Dynamite Mafia, she had Yosarian2 at the top of her suspicion list. Her initial reason of him for being scum was that he was bussing me(town), which was something that she herself was doing. Later on, when Skitzer talked about beign suspicious of her, she said "Where is your strong case against me? I think Yos and CES are much more interesting, and I'm not sure what you're playing at. "
Deflection onto a scum partner = bussing.
When she struck a light, it was "supposedly" to take out Skitzer or Yosarian2. Bussing. She talks about Yos panicking but I do not see her actually say why Yos is scummy. As kuribo put it in that game, "Don't look at ME, we're bandwagoning Yos!", which was exactly what she did; deflect attention from herself onto ascumbuddy.
In realistic mafia, where SUrye was town, she did not use false dichotomies "One of A/B is scum" and was much more cautious in her antics. Scum Surye is more likley to bluff than town Surye. SUrye in this game is not being cautious.
Looking at Tar's claim, all I have really uncovered is:
I'm a Cop (sanity currently unknown). I investigated ABR N1 (because he's ABR); despite ABR's death, I found that he was specifically not a member of the Mafia (so I'm either Sane or Naive, and I can apparently only find Mafia). This suggests to me that there is a second scumgroup in the game; if so, Gorrad is almost certainly the SK.
I think I know what should be done here. We keep myself, Gorrad, and Xtoxm alive today. Tonight, Gorrad targets Xtoxm. If Xtoxm comes up scum, Gorrad is mostly clear; if Gorrad kills a different player or if Xtoxm is an FBI Agent, Gorrad gets lynched tomorrow (or left alive for a bit if I survive with a guilty).
As for who should be lynched at deadline... my best candidate is shaft.ed. After my reread here, his play looks much, much more like his play in Open 57 and House Mafia (where he was scum) than his play in Mini 492 and Mini 495 (where he was town). Note the short posts, Mafia theory, and lack of long analysis posts - coming from shaft.ed, that's remarkably scummy.
Hmm....
I need to analyze this post and compare it to what was publicly known about the roles he is directing here.
So the investigations were:
ABR (innocent)
Shaft.ed (innocent)
Toaster Strudel (innocent)
MM (guilty)
If the deadline is near, I'd like an extension. It's a big game and a lot of thought process that has to go into cracking it.
