Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

ISO · Post Post #1125 (ISO) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:39 am

In post 1122, Pine wrote:He’s competent enough that I don’t accept memeing in TM2020 from him.

I don't follow the logic here. Is memeing and providing content worse than just providing content?

Pine · Post Post #1126 (ISO) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:40 am

Xtoxm is particularly against lynching Hectic, thinks he’s a mislynch. He’s Townreading Amrun, S_S, Hectic, Pops, and “probably” Nancy

PE: Site meta has gotten to the point where scum can pretty easily get away with being transparent for exactly that reason.

Okay. Say we tabled your lynch for now, Hectic. Who should we be voting and why?

Pine · Post Post #1127 (ISO) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:41 am

In post 1125, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1122, Pine wrote:He’s competent enough that I don’t accept memeing in TM2020 from him.
I don't follow the logic here. Is memeing and providing content worse than just providing content?

He’s not providing content. He’s got a naked readslist and that’s it. What the fuck content are you talking about?

OkaPoka · Post Post #1128 (ISO) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:41 am

Hmm

Pine why does two votes on me suggest hectic scum?

Titus · Post Post #1129 (ISO) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:41 am

In post 1124, Hectic wrote:
In post 1123, Pine wrote:I mean, look at that scummy as fuck wagon on OkaPoka. I maintain that {Krazy, NaCl, Hectic} is an entirely plausible team
Isn't that a little too transparent for a day 1 counterwagon if we were all scum? Also, why would my hypothetical partners push OkaPoka who's been generally town imo and is push harder to actually push?

I could see Hectic and NaCl but not all three. The wagon would be overloaded.

I'd change to Hectic, Dr. D, and NaCl.

Pine · Post Post #1130 (ISO) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:43 am

In post 1128, OkaPoka wrote:Hmm

Pine why does two votes on me suggest hectic scum?

It doesn’t on its own. It’s evidence of counterwagoning.

VOTE: NaCl

Amrun · Post Post #1131 (ISO) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:45 am

In post 1129, Titus wrote:
In post 1124, Hectic wrote:
In post 1123, Pine wrote:I mean, look at that scummy as fuck wagon on OkaPoka. I maintain that {Krazy, NaCl, Hectic} is an entirely plausible team
Isn't that a little too transparent for a day 1 counterwagon if we were all scum? Also, why would my hypothetical partners push OkaPoka who's been generally town imo and is push harder to actually push?
I could see Hectic and NaCl but not all three. The wagon would be overloaded.

I'd change to Hectic, Dr. D, and NaCl.

Where did your pops read go?

OkaPoka · Post Post #1132 (ISO) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:45 am

VOTE: nacl

popsofctown · Post Post #1133 (ISO) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:47 am

I don't really like Pine's progression on the Hectic slot, it seems to track poorly with the quality of Hectic's responses. He shouldn't need teammates' help to be deductive instead of inductive.

the worst told me those buzzwords 1 time and now my brain can't stop using them

OkaPoka · Post Post #1134 (ISO) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:47 am

You should vote pine then :>

ISO · Post Post #1135 (ISO) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:48 am

In post 1127, Pine wrote:He’s not providing content.

So that's your real issue, and memeing has nothing to do with it.

Why did you mention memeing as though you thought it was a problem?

Hectic · Post Post #1136 (ISO) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:48 am

In post 1126, Pine wrote:Xtoxm is particularly against lynching Hectic, thinks he’s a mislynch. He’s Townreading Amrun, S_S, Hectic, Pops, and “probably” Nancy

PE: Site meta has gotten to the point where scum can pretty easily get away with being transparent for exactly that reason.

Okay. Say we tabled your lynch for now, Hectic. Who should we be voting and why?

Could you address my reasons I have for scumreading you? You've just ignored them the whole game.

Other than you, I dislike Titus, DDL, and Eddie off the top of my head. Let me ISO some more and I'll get back to you with an answer.

Amrun · Post Post #1137 (ISO) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:48 am

In post 1122, Pine wrote:
In post 1115, Amrun wrote:
In post 1112, Hectic wrote:
In post 1108, Amrun wrote:@Pine: what do you think of Hectic as a scum player? Is he competent?
I don't have any scum data on this site unfortunately. I have 1 offsite however.
Ok, thanks for that info - Pine, please change my question to what do you think of Hectic as a player in general? Is he competent?
He’s competent enough that I don’t accept memeing in TM2020 from him.

I need to consult with my team, they think I’m out on a limb here and Hectic’s posting this afternoon has been better.

As for the lack of a counterwagon, that isn’t for lack of trying - there have been pushes on several people so far, they just haven’t taken hold.

If he’s competent in your eyes, then you’re scummy for condescending to him in 1081 that if he were scum, he could have faked his readslist better, yet still calling him scum for the same readslist.

Pine enters my scumreads. His teammates are reigning him in from pushing a bad mislynch.

Amrun · Post Post #1138 (ISO) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:49 am

VOTE: Pine

Titus · Post Post #1139 (ISO) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:49 am

In post 1131, Amrun wrote:
In post 1129, Titus wrote:
In post 1124, Hectic wrote:
In post 1123, Pine wrote:I mean, look at that scummy as fuck wagon on OkaPoka. I maintain that {Krazy, NaCl, Hectic} is an entirely plausible team
Isn't that a little too transparent for a day 1 counterwagon if we were all scum? Also, why would my hypothetical partners push OkaPoka who's been generally town imo and is push harder to actually push?
I could see Hectic and NaCl but not all three. The wagon would be overloaded.

I'd change to Hectic, Dr. D, and NaCl.
Where did your pops read go?

Hasn't gone anywhere. I don't feel good about him. I was just discussing Pine's suggestion.

I'm playing based largely off a PoE.

Hectic · Post Post #1140 (ISO) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:49 am

In post 1133, popsofctown wrote:I don't really like Pine's progression on the Hectic slot, it seems to track poorly with the quality of Hectic's responses. He shouldn't need teammates' help to be deductive instead of inductive.

the worst told me those buzzwords 1 time and now my brain can't stop using them

In post 1134, OkaPoka wrote:You should vote pine then :>

In post 1135, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1127, Pine wrote:He’s not providing content.
So that's your real issue, and memeing has nothing to do with it.

Why did you mention memeing as though you thought it was a problem?

Exactly! A wagon on Pine please.

popsofctown · Post Post #1141 (ISO) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:52 am

It's a data point. I've liked a lot of his other posts. I think he's netted to null. I can't remember whether I've stated how much I like the other posts itt or not.
NaCl is a really strange slot. He just randomly said "my teammate told me to vote the UTR so I'm now voting the UTR" and it seems too wolfy to be wolf. I can't make sense of it.
All these things seem like way smaller deals than Eddie Cane scumslipping so I feel like I'm on crazy pills

pedit: whoa like 8 pedits

ISO · Post Post #1142 (ISO) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:52 am

In post 1126, Pine wrote:Site meta has gotten to the point where scum can pretty easily get away with being transparent for exactly that reason.

Occasionally, yes. If they did it too much, the meta would shift back.

Titus · Post Post #1143 (ISO) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:53 am

If Pine's just pushing an easy mislynch, why wouldn't he push me harder earlier? Second, why would he need an out?

I'm not a fan of this desperate effort to save Hectic.

popsofctown · Post Post #1144 (ISO) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:53 am

In post 1142, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1126, Pine wrote:Site meta has gotten to the point where scum can pretty easily get away with being transparent for exactly that reason.
Occasionally, yes. If they did it too much, the meta would shift back.

Could you explain the meta feature you two are chatting about, this went over my head

Hectic · Post Post #1145 (ISO) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:54 am

I mean, DDL has basically no content, and that sheep on pops isn't great. He scumread me for "not remembering anything I'd posted" so that's a terrible vote. Nothing much I can find that's alignment-indicative other than that actually. I've only played one game with him where he was scum and lurked very similar to this, but I'm assuming he does this as town too as he claims? Easy lie to catch out if not and someone should speak up if that's the case,

Hectic · Post Post #1146 (ISO) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:55 am

In post 1143, Titus wrote:If Pine's just pushing an easy mislynch, why wouldn't he push me harder earlier? Second, why would he need an out?

I'm not a fan of this desperate effort to save Hectic.

Effort by whom?

ISO · Post Post #1147 (ISO) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:56 am

In post 1144, popsofctown wrote:Could you explain the meta feature you two are chatting about, this went over my head

He's talking about the possibility of a Krazy/NaCl/Hectic team wagoning Oka to save Hectic. Which is something that would be super obvious, except that site meta might let them get away with it because "they wouldn't be so obvious."

Hectic · Post Post #1148 (ISO) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:56 am

In post 1142, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1126, Pine wrote:Site meta has gotten to the point where scum can pretty easily get away with being transparent for exactly that reason.
Occasionally, yes. If they did it too much, the meta would shift back.

Agree, and this is TOO transparent. Also, wouldn't it be more productive for those 2 if they were my scum buddies to vote someone else who already has a vote? 3 votes makes a much better wagon than 2.

Eddie Cane · Post Post #1149 (ISO) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:59 am

drunk on a plane atm
i believe there's 0-1 scum in hectic and pops, never 2

that said, i strongly believe there's 1 in there. pine's reads are so off from mine that its a little scummy to me, but my team has him as town, so i'll leave it for now. if town hectic and town pops are tunnelling me and no scum are supporting it idk what scums doing.

i actually think this is the most interesting TM game and i think its content rich. which is cool