Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[Saudade]

I think that is a really dangerously easy townread to give him jsyk

idk how much experience you have with him but I have seen him win a lot of games as scum and he replaced my second strongest scumread

Name one
And a town one.

I hate trying to read jokesters.

i dont win a lot of games as scum

[MathBlade]

Uhm most normals this size have three scum RC?

I am not following your reads and how only two players are in scum pool?

[skitter30]

That is the point yes. And I am not massclaiming, I am simply stating that it is very likely that at some point in the game my role is enough power that it is really obvious that it has to exist.

That’s not how any of this works....at all.

You can just as easily be covering with a scum buddy or TMIing.

See game where Titus bussed you for faking a guilty meta
And the person claiming info doesn’t always have to be the source.

So how about instead of talking mechanics we don’t know we get to reads?

Awesome.

math i think u misunderstood the point he was trying to make

[Saudade]

dont try and make people paranoid about me, im a cute little innocent snowflake

[MathBlade]

@rc I agree with the townblock, especially the inclusion of Ico. Flopz I’m weaker on, but including due to the ease of wagon and response. I’d like more out of that slot. But if we can get all those players onto a single wagon today I think it will be good.

I don’t agree with Skitter or RCE one of them is prob scum leaning Skitter.

[skitter30]

This is what everyone believes and then Ari suddenly wins in lylo against one of the strongest towns ever assembled on MS.
I'm not saying he's *super likely* scum and I think that again the solution to scum!Ari is to lynch his scumpartners because it's real obvious that a lot of people aren't SvS with him

yeah but he's not lurking his way to lylo here
like he isn't popping in ever like two days making excuses for not having reads

he's actually playing and trying to engage people

[MathBlade]

-on you, I believe there is a deep wolf (or two) in this game. I don’t think it’s math. I think there’s about equal chance of RC/RCE, which is why I’ve got the pending question to RCE. I think you could *possibly* be scum with RC, but are unlikely to be by yourself. In other words, I townread you, but with paranoia (less paranoia than on RC).

-math has been hard pushing Ari. RCE is pushing RC, but calling ari openwolf. That’s two of my townreads calling out a slot that has been difficult to lynch and that I don’t see putting out content.

- on stronger scumreads, I’m not the type to fake it. I feel good about my towns, but there are way too many slots just being allowed to skate by. If we get content out of shos/saudade/xtomx and Bella, I will start feeling stronger.

- because everyone’s blah on me but I’m being enough of a presbence to be discussed, but not really considered (yet)

Pedit: began this when skits post I am responding to was the most recent thing.

i think math is tunneled on ari. and rce thinks rc/ari is a thing which i think obviously doesn't make sense. like what do you thinka bout the rc/ari situation ???
and again do you have an independant read on ari or?

and that's what i'm saying wrt shos/saudade/xtoxm/bella/almost you, that if we cocnentrate on ari/rc/me/math/whatever we're never going to get content out of them, i think that pressuring the lurkers is a much more productive use of our time than deathtunneling ari or me deathtunneling rc

who do you think is most liekly scum in that group and why?

also i'm feeling blah on you so that's why i'm starting this dialogue ...

Check again. I am voting you.

[teacher]

who do you think is most liekly scum in that group and why?

Kinda want to talk with RCE if he picked up my directed message in this thread before answering this, to see if he agrees with my creeping suspicion about the role of one of them. It’s the one I think is either tor or scum, and it’s the former is the only reason I haven’t pushed that slot independently before.

[skitter30]

Dammit, RCE is probably town. I took a step back and dialed my OMGUS back, as well as actually reading his posts, and they're actually pretty towny and I see effort in solving the game present.

Time to rethink some things. I honestly didn't expect this, and it became evident a lot earlier in his ISO than I ever would have thought.

@teacher wrt ari's reads
he had been scumreading him just before

[teacher]

Uhm most normals this size have three scum RC?

I am not following your reads and how only two players are in scum pool?

I think I’m the third, with a side of ari.

[RadiantCowbells]

My issue with that is in NSG phrasing that seems like a really political read because we both just finished talking about how we were no longer willing to vote him

[skitter30]

Because I leave for a day only to come back to more spam and more bs and I just gah. This is a lot and it is draining.

tell me about it
i think tonight has been significantly better than most days in this game tho tbh

[Saudade]

Because I leave for a day only to come back to more spam and more bs and I just gah. This is a lot and it is draining.

tell me about it
i think tonight has been significantly better than most days in this game tho tbh

hehe now that i'm here.............

[teacher]

Dammit, RCE is probably town. I took a step back and dialed my OMGUS back, as well as actually reading his posts, and they're actually pretty towny and I see effort in solving the game present.

Time to rethink some things. I honestly didn't expect this, and it became evident a lot earlier in his ISO than I ever would have thought.

@teacher wrt ari's reads
he had been scumreading him just before

Ty. I did see this but again it seemed to be moving with the board (following RCs voice iirc) rather than independent evolution, despite being worded that way.

And yes, I do have an independent scum read of ari. And I think his flip doesn’t say much about RC.

[MathBlade]

Uhm most normals this size have three scum RC?

I am not following your reads and how only two players are in scum pool?

I think I’m the third, with a side of ari.

Yeah no.

Saudade is prob town. And you’re prob town.

I don’t think anyone would recommend Saudade joke around in thread if scum or not discourage him from it eith how heavy his slot is read. I don’t see Saudade scum here.

[skitter30]

I think that is a really dangerously easy townread to give him jsyk

idk how much experience you have with him but I have seen him win a lot of games as scum and he replaced my second strongest scumread

is this about me on ari?
ok do you think i'm mis-assessing some part of his scumgame in particular?
like do you have a particular reason i'm wrong beyond 'scum!ari is better than people think'?
(which your ealize is how you get scumread most of the time ... ?)

[Saudade]

Ari are you going to scumhunt because so far everyones been posting walls and stuff and you were just amusing yourself looking througn my posts

[MathBlade]

Because I leave for a day only to come back to more spam and more bs and I just gah. This is a lot and it is draining.

tell me about it
i think tonight has been significantly better than most days in this game tho tbh

I’d rather you address the reason I am voting you.

[MathBlade]

Ari are you going to scumhunt because so far everyones been posting walls and stuff and you were just amusing yourself looking througn my posts

Omg I want to hug you. <3

Take a free heart emoji.

[skitter30]

also keep in mind skitter that even if somehow scum manage to get away with keeping me alive when we massclaim it's *probably* going to be obvious the setup isn't balanced if I am not a TPR

this is a true point
ok we can deal with this tomorrow i think, if we're still both here

Why are you assuming today will be a mislynch?

VOTE: Skitter30

math i think you need to take a step back from the game and just like ~broadly reassess~
your reads are p bad imo

i don't think ari is scum here

[RadiantCowbells]

I think that is a really dangerously easy townread to give him jsyk

idk how much experience you have with him but I have seen him win a lot of games as scum and he replaced my second strongest scumread

is this about me on ari?
ok do you think i'm mis-assessing some part of his scumgame in particular?
like do you have a particular reason i'm wrong beyond 'scum!ari is better than people think'?
(which your ealize is how you get scumread most of the time ... ?)

no

on saudade

[skitter30]

I feel more sure on Plum atm because even Shos's entrance I kinda hate already and like I guess I had some townfeels on Tris but Tris just had some weird progressions
I won't like tell you to lynch Sau if you townread him but I think that balance of probabilities the both of them are scum

saudade i can read (and have already gotten some townpings off of)

i am happy to go back to plum/shos tho

[RadiantCowbells]

i can't say i'm happy that you are townpinging sau because i'm scumpinging them but i'm also still pro-shos

[Saudade]

I feel more sure on Plum atm because even Shos's entrance I kinda hate already and like I guess I had some townfeels on Tris but Tris just had some weird progressions
I won't like tell you to lynch Sau if you townread him but I think that balance of probabilities the both of them are scum

saudade i can read (and have already gotten some townpings off of)

i am happy to go back to plum/shos tho

no u cant read me

[teacher]

and that's what i'm saying wrt shos/saudade/xtoxm/bella/almost you, that if we cocnentrate on ari/rc/me/math/whatever we're never going to get content out of them, i think that pressuring the lurkers is a much more productive use of our time than deathtunneling ari or me deathtunneling rc

That’s the thing, I feel like I’ve been saying EXACTLY this since D1, but it hasn’t happened. I know I have neither the investment nor influence to make it happen, but I’d really love to make a “no discussing RC” rule for two days and see what happens in thread. It’s why, as RC pointed out, tris/plum appear together throughout my iso - me saying I need more from those slots. It’s why I tried to redirect the wagon. It’s why I began the day with a reminder that nobody was talking about xtomx. I feel like several things you have said today, I said first, and yet your nully-scum on me, for reasons I don’t quite get.