BooneyToonz XIII: To Boon or Not To Boon - [END]

[Weiss Schnee]

VOTE: Bambi

alright that's a pretty good rebuttal, the triple on night 1 actually really doesn't mean jack shit

[Weiss Schnee]

although it still kinda doesn't guarantee you're town I guess? still means it's less of a quasi-mechanical cross

[Weiss Schnee]

Lynch bambi, Creature follows Chemist so we know if he gets a result or creature dies (more likely)?

the problem here, RCE, is that you're still like the best candidate for this 7-shot split Renegade (looks like what we're basically looking at?)

[Weiss Schnee]

Lynch bambi, red flip = yay, green flip = creature death gives us IC chemist

there are worse worlds than that

[RCEnigma]

A.) I don't think scum has rolestop plus another method of voiding invests on top of it and a cop enabler to further inhibit invests and essentially nerf the role.

2.) Idk what happened there and there are probably a ton of roles the interfere on some level. I don't think flipping probable town slots to reverse engineer scum interactions is the best use of lynches but that's just me.

A) why the fuck not? this is role madness with an overwhelming amount of town power. You think traitor and doc is enough? hell no. Boon loves day play he's not going to actively create a game that can be easily solved mechanically

b) Most roles that interfere on some level cannot have resolved because of chk's rolestop on bambi. Roleblocker doesn't work.

I don't remember what bunyip does but it was like a doc right

Jailkeeper-alien would also work but that's what I'm talking about already basically

nothing else works for explaining it. Look at the list of roles. Tell me something else that explains bambi getting no result on titus other than:
a) bambi lying (as scum hopefully)
b) rolestopper/jailkeeper-alien

nothing else comes to mind for me?

I was thinking .ore along the lines of roles that disrupt Titus as a target and not Bambi as the targeter.

Things like busdriver redirector etc. For example consider scum redirector moving chk to Titus instead.

I'm not saying that's what happened just that it isn't as clear cut as your trying to tell me it is.

[Weiss Schnee]

Things like busdriver redirector etc. For example consider scum redirector moving chk to Titus instead.

don't roles that are not in OP required to be variants QED impossible given the existence of renegade?

has there ever been a redirector or bus driver in a boon game?

[Weiss Schnee]

I'm not saying that's what happened just that it isn't as clear cut as your trying to tell me it is.

my thought was that those possibilities were mechanically prohibited but if I'm mistaken let me know

[Weiss Schnee]

Spoiler:

Welcome,

RCEnigma

, you are a

Town 1-shot Bunyip

.

Abilities:

• At night, you may target a player. You will find out if they are Vanilla or not. If they are Vanilla, you will also grant them bulletproof for the night.

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

Game thread is here. Confirm by replying in your

Confessionals Thread

.

bunyip probably not in this game, just posting this here for my reference on what that role is

[RCEnigma]

Things like busdriver redirector etc. For example consider scum redirector moving chk to Titus instead.

don't roles that are not in OP required to be variants QED impossible given the existence of renegade?

has there ever been a redirector or bus driver in a boon game?

Ahh fair it's only previous roles besides variants. I'm not one for the setup side of things.

[RCEnigma]

Spoiler:

Welcome,

RCEnigma

, you are a

Town 1-shot Bunyip

.

Abilities:

• At night, you may target a player. You will find out if they are Vanilla or not. If they are Vanilla, you will also grant them bulletproof for the night.

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

Game thread is here. Confirm by replying in your

Confessionals Thread

.

bunyip probably not in this game, just posting this here for my reference on what that role is

Hey, it me.

[Weiss Schnee]

Ahh fair it's only previous roles besides variants. I'm not one for the setup side of things.

the original idea of the booneytoonz series was that it was "normal queue with a 'limited' amount of role madness style power"

so that most of the game is ~supposed~ to be comprehensible by normal rules with a ~splash~ of booney madness

so bus driver/lightning rod/etc. goes a little bit against the spirit of that but are *not* actually hard prohibited, they COULD be variants, but they are not in this game

that's my understanding anyway, boon is a madman so you never ~really~ know

[Weiss Schnee]

There are 4 days and 20 hours left in the dayphase

And you know what that means

Spoiler:

It's time to lynch Bambi

[BrightEyedFish]

Lynch bambi, Creature follows Chemist so we know if he gets a result or creature dies (more likely)?

the problem here, RCE, is that you're still like the best candidate for this 7-shot split Renegade (looks like what we're basically looking at?)

Any thoughta on who I should or shouldn't vend tonight or do I have free reign?

Also,
RCE reaction to his wagon is seemingly townie to me.

Back2Bambi

VOTE: Bambi

[Weiss Schnee]

I'd prioritize anyone who hasn't gotten a vend yet

[davesaz]

Explain that chemist / creature thing.

[Weiss Schnee]

Chemist claims to have the loyal modifier
Bambi claims that on n3 his hide action succeeded
Chemist claims that on n3 he targeted Creature

This means that, for the hide to have resolved, Chemist must be the same alignment as Creature
Therefore
if Bambi flips town (i.e., lynching him today is a mistake and he doesn't flip red)
and Creature flips town (i.e., nightkilled because tracker)
then
Chemist then becomes functionally Innocent Child

[Weiss Schnee]

wait, fuck, that doesn't actually preclude chemist from lying

you're right he wouldn't actually be ic'd even then, it would only be if chemist went first that creature would be ic'd, it doesn't go in reverse

fucking convoluted night action shit

[Weiss Schnee]

Dave really strong pref between bambi and amrun?

[50 Judge Powers]

A.) I don't think scum has rolestop plus another method of voiding invests on top of it and a cop enabler to further inhibit invests and essentially nerf the role.

This is kind of good analysis and I usually associate with Town!RCE. I know it's also fake-able some, but I think it's more town indicative than not.

~A50

[50 Judge Powers]

A.) I don't think scum has rolestop plus another method of voiding invests on top of it and a cop enabler to further inhibit invests and essentially nerf the role.

This is kind of good analysis and I usually associate with Town!RCE. I know it's also fake-able some, but I think it's more town indicative than not.

~A50

A message from the "Let's FoS A50 for fun" society:

Note the subtle soft-defence here. If RCE flips red A50 maybe his partner. If RCE flips green A50 maybe Scum washing his hand of it.

~AP

[davesaz]

I also think expecting both town and scum to have a rolestop is pretty far out there.

[Weiss Schnee]

So you think bambi lied?

[50 Judge Powers]

A) why the fuck not? this is role madness with an overwhelming amount of town power. You think traitor and doc is enough? hell no. Boon loves day play he's not going to actively create a game that can be easily solved mechanically

I think you missed the point. Rolestopper protects a Scum player from being investigated. The Town Rolestopper already did that, although it would not have been directed by scum obviousoly. But then there was a Town Cop enabler that if died at any point of the game would disable all Cops. (The fact they died on N1 was a plus, but that is a key element at nerfing Town investigatives, which is why there are non-Cop-like Town roles that can also five semi-investigative results). Then the Scum has a Renegade, that would further mess with with those non-Cop-like Roles too.

If Scum had a Rolestopper on top of that then it was theoretically possible to have had 2 "Cops" voided from the get go (failed actions through the Rolestoppers + Cop Enabler dying on N1) which would turn the game into a farce, don't you think?

[Weiss Schnee]

So you think bambi lied?

[50 Judge Powers]

I mean, I disagree ANYTHING is "too convoluted for Bambi". I was watching Elsa from above in OK1 and myself along with the the modding team AND the spectators were all puzzled with his play .. and we all knew what his true role was too!

VOTE: Bambi